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Well the simple way I could see everything being there, in that moment, but the people is easily done two fold.

One: Both man and animal actually think. As do insects. Now if they all aren't there then that explains it. But if it's only people. Remember: Only man and ape has shown the ability to think in a sense that they can figure out problems, and communicate.


Two: Plants don't tend to have a grasp on time. It's an Illusion that only those that measure it think about. A plant doesn't care if it's today or tomorrow. Animals have a concept of it. Bugs do, too. But plants, and non-living things do not. Meaning the room could simply not hold anything with a grasp of Time inside it. Which to an extent, makes sense seeing as how the room stays the same time no matter how long you're in it.

Haha. I just had a third idea. Three: What if it's a short loop? Perhaps a few moments are repeated. Or that one moment in time. If there was a breeze then, then it would continue to blow if it is indeed that one moment in time. I mean if the area is just a single moment in time/space and the wind is blowing. If it is stuck there would the wind not be blowing if that instant isn't frozen, but an eternally moving fragment of time?
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All good ideas.

Clearly, the observation of motion outside combined with the observation that it seems to always be 1:20 PM outside is not an easy problem to tackle. I am of the opinion that any good theory will take into account both of these observations.
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Well I think reasoning is only part of what would have it exist.

I think that in reality the room exists in a little pocket. Just the room, and outside is just the memory of the room's surroundings. Or it could be that it exists in such a way that after you walk so far, you walk right back up to it.
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After much brainwork, I found a way for the room to always be at 1:20 PM and still have motion outside. It is kind of complicated to explain, but it is actually very simple and logically consistent. Here goes:

Since we are told that there is “more than one room”, it is reasonable to suppose that each room (and its surrounding environment) represents one possible quantum state. The degree of variation in the quantum states from one room to another will depend on how far back in time the two variations split from one another. If we go back far enough in time we can find as large a variation as we care to in any direction we care to. Since the motion we observe outside of the room is objects and plants moving with the wind, these will be good examples for explaining this theory.

Suppose a plant blown by the wind sways one-eighth of an inch to the north in a period of one second. It is reasonable to assume that there is a quantum variation of the room and the world outside that has this plant in this new position but still back at exactly 1:20 PM real time. Therefore, if the wind appears to sway the plant one-eighth of an inch to the north, the room and surrounding world move “across” time to this different quantum state. Suppose the plant is again blown by the wind so that it sways one-eighth of an inch to the northeast. Instead of moving to a time in the future, the room and the surrounding world move to a quantum state that is still 1:20 PM but in which the plant is in this new position.

The net result is a view outside that appears to be moving forward in time but is actually sliding across quantum states that correlate to the predicted position of objects as if they were moving forward in time.

Since the room and surrounding world are not moving forward in time, but are instead moving across quantum states, there is no reason why the sun, planets, or stars above would move or the temperature outside would increase or decrease appreciably. The new quantum state could involve a world that is in a slightly different configuration but stars and planets that are in the same position as before.

This may seem like it would involve some tricky physics with gravity, since the world being in a different configuration should change the gravity field around stars and planets, but the change in them would be undetectably minute. It would be so minute that the change could be accounted for simply by quantum randomness. It would also involve changes in the light that is projected to other planets and stars. In the case of stars it would not matter, since they are all light years away. In the case of planets, the change would be detectable but not by any equipment available today. Again, it may fall within the domain of quantum randomness.
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The only issue I'd see with that is that is one of those things that could cause the very fabric of space/time apart in several dimensions. I mean yeah, it's brilliant.


But The Objects have shown that they only follow parts of Physics and all that nice stuff. They alter, bend, and even break Laws of Physics.


I think that the Room's ability to be how it is all the time is probably in and of itself a very simple thing. Which would be kind of ironic when the fans of this fine show put tons of effort into figuring out the inner workings of things.
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One of the reasons why I try to find simple, consistent, all-encompassing explanations for the room and the objects is to defend TLR from people who claim that it has no “theory”. Possibly it didn’t have a theory initially, but if we can find one this claim becomes moot. Some day I am going to find a model that is so clean, so simple, and so elegant that it will seem as if the room must really exist somewhere and is just waiting to be exposed. On a more superstitious note, I sometimes feel that if we can justify the TLR scenario the powers that be will feel compelled to continue the series. They can’t say that it does not merit a sequel if we prove that it is a shining temple of intellectual elegance

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—or maybe I just need a good night’s sleep!
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Well I think it does exist somewhere. Out there. Where it was filmed. But in the end all that really matter is. Who gets to have bragging rights for having The Room in their Collection?
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Founder Bunny is the only one I know of who actually intends to collect the room.

The prop no longer exists. It was built in Albuquerque New Mexico and has been torn down.
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Well I know the solution to that. You just need to redo that one Experiment. But instead of using The Box or The Eye, use The Quarter, and with a little luck, and alot of duct tape. You'll have the room behind the door.


Or you could just make a shed where the inside of it looks like The Room. But in the end. I think the only way to find out how the Outside of the Room to work is to rebuild The Room and stand in it, while looking outside the window.
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Some day, long after this forum has been deleted and “The Lost Room” is a vague memory in a few aging people’s minds, some game designer will rediscover it in a video archive. When they do, they will say to themselves, “This is brilliant. This is pure genius. This must be made into a game simulation.” Using the ample technology that will be available at the time, they will create a facsimile of the room that a person can stand in and look out of. On that day the room will be reborn in all its glory.

It’s too bad the SciFi Channel is populated by short-sighted idiots. Can’t be helped I suppose.
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