Outside the room https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/t712 Runboard| Outside the room en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 09:12:37 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 09:12:37 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17688,from=rss#post17688https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17688,from=rss#post17688nondisclosed_email@example.com (Cattrina)Wed, 02 Feb 2011 09:40:57 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17677,from=rss#post17677https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17677,from=rss#post17677I always thought that the Event took a few seconds to occur, and the time frozen in the watches was when it culminated into the unplucking of Eddie and the creation of the objects. My theory is that, at that time, the wind was blowing ever so slightly outside, and everything that happens is what happened those few seconds the Event took, and then that scene loops back into itself, infinitely. Basically, it is impossible to go outside, all you see is the light that carried the image of the outside through the window in those few seconds. If you stare out the window long enough, you would notice the bushes all move the exact same way over and over and over again.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Coelho)Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:55:55 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8276,from=rss#post8276https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8276,from=rss#post8276Here is a vacant lot just N of Gallup on Route 491 (old 666). This should do nicely. Quick, someone get the number of a Realtor in the area. Does anyone have a million or two they haven’t earmarked for Christmas gifts?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:50:34 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8275,from=rss#post8275https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8275,from=rss#post8275quote:Spikosauropod wrote: Anyone want to go into the Hospitality business? lol...I would but I am not a people person and dealing with the inane public is not my strong point. I tend to call them as I see them and I would probally drive business away........gruff and surly I am to the n'th degree..   Chuckles nondisclosed_email@example.com (Chucklbunny)Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:06:01 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8274,from=rss#post8274https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8274,from=rss#post8274I would wager that it is available; or land in the very near vicinity is available. If I were to rebuild the Motel, I would want to rebuild it on old Route 666 north of Gallup. I strongly suspect that an area north of Gallup with the proper look could be found. Anyone want to go into the Hospitality business?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:41:58 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8273,from=rss#post8273https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8273,from=rss#post8273I wonder if that land lot is for sale, someone could buy it and rebuild the motel on the exact spot. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rollerball)Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:32:20 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8272,from=rss#post8272https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8272,from=rss#post8272Some day, long after this forum has been deleted and “The Lost Room” is a vague memory in a few aging people’s minds, some game designer will rediscover it in a video archive. When they do, they will say to themselves, “This is brilliant. This is pure genius. This must be made into a game simulation.” Using the ample technology that will be available at the time, they will create a facsimile of the room that a person can stand in and look out of. On that day the room will be reborn in all its glory. It’s too bad the SciFi Channel is populated by short-sighted idiots. Can’t be helped I suppose.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:17:39 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8271,from=rss#post8271https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8271,from=rss#post8271Well I know the solution to that. You just need to redo that one Experiment. But instead of using The Box or The Eye, use The Quarter, and with a little luck, and alot of duct tape. You'll have the room behind the door. Or you could just make a shed where the inside of it looks like The Room. But in the end. I think the only way to find out how the Outside of the Room to work is to rebuild The Room and stand in it, while looking outside the window.nondisclosed_email@example.com (DustinD)Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:54:00 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8270,from=rss#post8270https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8270,from=rss#post8270Founder Bunny is the only one I know of who actually intends to collect the room. The prop no longer exists. It was built in Albuquerque New Mexico and has been torn down. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:30:50 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8269,from=rss#post8269https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8269,from=rss#post8269Well I think it does exist somewhere. Out there. Where it was filmed. But in the end all that really matter is. Who gets to have bragging rights for having The Room in their Collection?nondisclosed_email@example.com (DustinD)Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:02:01 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8268,from=rss#post8268https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8268,from=rss#post8268One of the reasons why I try to find simple, consistent, all-encompassing explanations for the room and the objects is to defend TLR from people who claim that it has no “theory”. Possibly it didn’t have a theory initially, but if we can find one this claim becomes moot. Some day I am going to find a model that is so clean, so simple, and so elegant that it will seem as if the room must really exist somewhere and is just waiting to be exposed. On a more superstitious note, I sometimes feel that if we can justify the TLR scenario the powers that be will feel compelled to continue the series. They can’t say that it does not merit a sequel if we prove that it is a shining temple of intellectual elegance —or maybe I just need a good night’s sleep! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:11:02 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8267,from=rss#post8267https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8267,from=rss#post8267The only issue I'd see with that is that is one of those things that could cause the very fabric of space/time apart in several dimensions. I mean yeah, it's brilliant. But The Objects have shown that they only follow parts of Physics and all that nice stuff. They alter, bend, and even break Laws of Physics. I think that the Room's ability to be how it is all the time is probably in and of itself a very simple thing. Which would be kind of ironic when the fans of this fine show put tons of effort into figuring out the inner workings of things.nondisclosed_email@example.com (DustinD)Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:44:22 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8265,from=rss#post8265https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8265,from=rss#post8265After much brainwork, I found a way for the room to always be at 1:20 PM and still have motion outside. It is kind of complicated to explain, but it is actually very simple and logically consistent. Here goes: Since we are told that there is “more than one room”, it is reasonable to suppose that each room (and its surrounding environment) represents one possible quantum state. The degree of variation in the quantum states from one room to another will depend on how far back in time the two variations split from one another. If we go back far enough in time we can find as large a variation as we care to in any direction we care to. Since the motion we observe outside of the room is objects and plants moving with the wind, these will be good examples for explaining this theory. Suppose a plant blown by the wind sways one-eighth of an inch to the north in a period of one second. It is reasonable to assume that there is a quantum variation of the room and the world outside that has this plant in this new position but still back at exactly 1:20 PM real time. Therefore, if the wind appears to sway the plant one-eighth of an inch to the north, the room and surrounding world move “across” time to this different quantum state. Suppose the plant is again blown by the wind so that it sways one-eighth of an inch to the northeast. Instead of moving to a time in the future, the room and the surrounding world move to a quantum state that is still 1:20 PM but in which the plant is in this new position. The net result is a view outside that appears to be moving forward in time but is actually sliding across quantum states that correlate to the predicted position of objects as if they were moving forward in time. Since the room and surrounding world are not moving forward in time, but are instead moving across quantum states, there is no reason why the sun, planets, or stars above would move or the temperature outside would increase or decrease appreciably. The new quantum state could involve a world that is in a slightly different configuration but stars and planets that are in the same position as before. This may seem like it would involve some tricky physics with gravity, since the world being in a different configuration should change the gravity field around stars and planets, but the change in them would be undetectably minute. It would be so minute that the change could be accounted for simply by quantum randomness. It would also involve changes in the light that is projected to other planets and stars. In the case of stars it would not matter, since they are all light years away. In the case of planets, the change would be detectable but not by any equipment available today. Again, it may fall within the domain of quantum randomness. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:25:11 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8263,from=rss#post8263https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8263,from=rss#post8263Well I think reasoning is only part of what would have it exist. I think that in reality the room exists in a little pocket. Just the room, and outside is just the memory of the room's surroundings. Or it could be that it exists in such a way that after you walk so far, you walk right back up to it.nondisclosed_email@example.com (DustinD)Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:14:09 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8262,from=rss#post8262https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8262,from=rss#post8262All good ideas. Clearly, the observation of motion outside combined with the observation that it seems to always be 1:20 PM outside is not an easy problem to tackle. I am of the opinion that any good theory will take into account both of these observations. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:22:08 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8260,from=rss#post8260https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8260,from=rss#post8260Well the simple way I could see everything being there, in that moment, but the people is easily done two fold. One: Both man and animal actually think. As do insects. Now if they all aren't there then that explains it. But if it's only people. Remember: Only man and ape has shown the ability to think in a sense that they can figure out problems, and communicate. Two: Plants don't tend to have a grasp on time. It's an Illusion that only those that measure it think about. A plant doesn't care if it's today or tomorrow. Animals have a concept of it. Bugs do, too. But plants, and non-living things do not. Meaning the room could simply not hold anything with a grasp of Time inside it. Which to an extent, makes sense seeing as how the room stays the same time no matter how long you're in it. Haha. I just had a third idea. Three: What if it's a short loop? Perhaps a few moments are repeated. Or that one moment in time. If there was a breeze then, then it would continue to blow if it is indeed that one moment in time. I mean if the area is just a single moment in time/space and the wind is blowing. If it is stuck there would the wind not be blowing if that instant isn't frozen, but an eternally moving fragment of time?nondisclosed_email@example.com (DustinD)Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:06:53 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8210,from=rss#post8210https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8210,from=rss#post8210Yes, we always come back to that problem of “meaning”. How could there be a simple function that distinguishes between a human and either a plant or an animal? One way to accomplish it might be to use a human’s own ability to distinguish meaning. Suppose, for example, that you had a group of people, animals, and plants in a garden. If you walked into the garden and calmly said, “In one hour the gardener is going to spray this entire garden with insecticide,” the people would leave and the animals and plants would stay behind. I’m not sure what similar function might be employed to make all the people in the world disappear, and leave all the animals and plants behind, but it is a starting point. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:32:08 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8204,from=rss#post8204https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8204,from=rss#post8204I'd like it to be really weird like that, but having no people but buildings and trees, specially the plants which are living beings too doesn't hold theoretically out for me. It just brings up a load of nagging questions to where you draw the biological line and who decides. Either living things are all gone or they're all there. Personally I'd just go with 1961 repeating itself, in a semi static bubble of time. Then you could argue can you interact with what's there and change things and events somehow? Maybe the Event is outside there somewhere and you can see what caused it all. Maybe beyond the Event bubble limits there's nothing at all, like an ice cream scoop of time on an infinite empty plate.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rollerball)Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:16:30 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8199,from=rss#post8199https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8199,from=rss#post8199I’m kind of partial to the idea that we are looking at the world in 1961, but with no people in it. If you were to go outside, you would find 1961 homes, cars, bicycles, etc, but no human inhabitants. It would be sort of like The Quiet Earth. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:25:42 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8180,from=rss#post8180https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8180,from=rss#post8180I too think we are seeing outside Room 10 in 1961 but albeit of time like Devai said...and my guess is that there is no one in the time frame....just an empty plane....a rip if you will...outside of all existence. Chuckles A whole new theory.....and totally realistic.   nondisclosed_email@example.com (Chucklbunny)Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:19:29 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8178,from=rss#post8178https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8178,from=rss#post8178Nice theory, but here's mine... I don't think that time is 'Stuck' outside the motel room (Bush moving, plus we have seen the colour desaturation of the comb when used to freeze time, and its not like that outside) But at the same time I don't think that time continues. (Otherwise it would get dark). Sugesting that the Motel Room is on some other plane / relm / dimention, where there is no 'time' (That doesn't mean that time freezes, it means that it doesn't exist)... That's my theory anyway.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Devai)Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:30:15 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7690,from=rss#post7690https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7690,from=rss#post7690Excellent to hear, I very much hope like all of us it does happen.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rollerball)Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:06:13 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7684,from=rss#post7684https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7684,from=rss#post7684Ya Chris said they were going to go into that in the Mini series but never did. However he said he doesn't want to give up that little secret until the series continues in some formnondisclosed_email@example.com (Ghinius Sahalin)Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:07:41 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7682,from=rss#post7682https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7682,from=rss#post7682I've always wondered what happens if you open the window and climb out.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rollerball)Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:48:55 +0000 Re: Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7671,from=rss#post7671https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7671,from=rss#post7671I think the room resets to the same time whenever you enter. so if you stayed in there long enough you could probably see a car or two pass by. maybe. I dunno for sure though.nondisclosed_email@example.com (M89)Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:48:10 +0000 Outside the roomhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7667,from=rss#post7667https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p7667,from=rss#post7667Ok, if the room is stuck at the time of the event, why is the shrubs moving outside of the room? Is this just a mess up or what? Or is it just impossible to get them to stay still?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:04:02 +0000