Yet Another Event Theory https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/t319 Runboard| Yet Another Event Theory en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:18:00 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:18:00 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17722,from=rss#post17722https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17722,from=rss#post17722The Von Weber theory pertains to the surface of a 3-sphere. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:12:41 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17715,from=rss#post17715https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17715,from=rss#post17715I love that Star Trek The Next Generation episode where Dr. Crusher is inside a bubble universe that keeps shrinking. She asks the computer "What is the nature of the universe?" And the computer responds, (paraphrased) "The universe is an 800 meter sphere."nondisclosed_email@example.com (Jintosh)Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:40:57 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17710,from=rss#post17710https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17710,from=rss#post17710The universe may not be a sphere, but that does not indicate it has no center. We don't know the shape of the universe for certain, though the last I read (back in 2006?), there was indication that it was roughly sphere-shaped based on the data obtained by the WMAP. Consider the scenario where the universe expands at the same rate in symmetric, but opposite, directions from the point of the big bang. That can result in any symmetric three-dimensional shape as the shape of the universe. I can say for certain that any symmetric 3D shape has a center. Asymmetrical shapes are a tad trickier, truthfully, any shape should have a center.nondisclosed_email@example.com (enderxenocide0)Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:00:02 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17702,from=rss#post17702https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17702,from=rss#post17702The Universe is not a sphere because it does not have a center, we would notice it if it did. There are no priviledged spots in the universe.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Coelho)Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:48:41 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3977,from=rss#post3977https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3977,from=rss#post3977Here is a slightly different approach to explaining my idea: My solution to the mind/brain problem is to assume that the mind is distinct from the brain. The mind is also often called “consciousness”. The brain is essentially a meat machine. It is a protein based, very slow, data processor. However, the mind, which is distinct from the brain, is not physical at all. Rather, it is a purely logical construct. It is, in fact, the choice function described in analysis, that is able to choose one element from every set. The mind is a logical construct that chooses from all the sets of available possibilities. The choices that this choice function makes are translated into the data structure supported by the physical brain. The mind makes choices, those choices are transmitted to the brain, the brain acts on the body and the body manipulates the world. When we have an idea like ‘I would like that thing to rotate’ the idea follows this chain of translations. Somehow, the event short-circuited this process. It created a function, or group of functions, that translate ideas from the mind directly into actions on the external world. The objects seem to be transfer points for this mind to external world process. The mind to world process that usually takes place is part of the logical structure of the universe. However, this short circuited process is part of the fracture in the logical structure of the universe. The fracture results in a disruption to the normal behavior of objects and it also results in a distortion of the mind to world process. In other words, it disrupts reality at every level. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:16:08 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3970,from=rss#post3970https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3970,from=rss#post3970The question, then, is what do these transformation functions that mysteriously act on objects have to do with the event. The transformation functions that exist normally, at least in my theory, transform conscious ideas into data patterns in our brains. Those data patterns, in turn, direct the behavior of our bodies and ultimately lead to the motion of objects. However, as a result of the breakdown of logic that occurred at the time and locality of room 10, there are rogue transformation functions that transform ideas directly into the behavior of a handful of normal objects—bypassing the usual route from our consciousness to our brains to our bodies and then to the objects. This is sort of like a short circuit in reality. Something similar happens when you push the button on your garage door opener and your neighbor’s garage door opens instead. Therefore, the fracture in reality known as the event has two effects. It leads to objects that do weird stuff, and it leads to control of those objects that works in extraordinary ways—a fracture in reality at several levels.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:16:37 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3969,from=rss#post3969https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3969,from=rss#post3969quote:pizmeyre wrote: You know, about the dead God theory... Maybe it was a godDESS that died... Specifically the Greco-Roman goddess Eris (or Discordia), goddess of chaos and disorder. The world, due to increasing knowledge of mathematics and physics, not to mention the fact that computers were becoming a bit more widespread by 1961 was creating an environment that was too straightforward and explainable for her to survive any longer. For no particular reason, she died and caused Room 10 and all within to embody her last bit of chaotic energy. Why room 10 of the Sunshine Motel in Gallup, New Mexico? Simple. No reason at all. Hail Eris. -Pizmeyre   A.K.A. Rev. Grassy Knoll Keeper of the Sacred Chao Smoldering Buddha Zenarchist Temple I like all of this. quote: But what accounts for the Motive Effects some items (like the quarter) demonstrate. With these items, you have to think or wish specific things. Doesn't this indicate an influence on other "standard" areas of creation normally affected by vanilla Hawking/Einstein varieties of physics? The issue of conscious control constantly comes up. However, without a working model of consciousness, this is difficult to approach. I am of the opinion that consciousness exists independently of the brain and somehow interacts with it. Some would consider this mysticism, but my reasons for believing it are not theological. I have a theory that can account for conscious thought being transformed into physical behavior, but I have had little luck explaining it. What it says, in essence, is that there exists a function or set of functions that can transform an idea into a set of physical behaviors in much the same way a matrix can be used to transform circular coordinates into rectangular ones. This replaces the seemingly magical aspect of associating meaning with physical behavior by a mathematical one. There is a precedent in our own experience. The combination of the human brain and the human body is a function that transforms our ideas into physical reality. We think ‘I would like that thing to rotate’ then we grasp it and begin to twist. My functions accomplish the same thing, just in a different way. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:08:29 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3967,from=rss#post3967https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3967,from=rss#post3967You know, about the dead God theory... Maybe it was a godDESS that died... Specifically the Greco-Roman goddess Eris (or Discordia), goddess of chaos and disorder. The world, due to increasing knowledge of mathematics and physics, not to mention the fact that computers were becoming a bit more widespread by 1961 was creating an environment that was too straightforward and explainable for her to survive any longer. For no particular reason, she died and caused Room 10 and all within to embody her last bit of chaotic energy. Why room 10 of the Sunshine Motel in Gallup, New Mexico? Simple. No reason at all. Hail Eris. -Pizmeyre   A.K.A. Rev. Grassy Knoll Keeper of the Sacred Chao Smoldering Buddha Zenarchist Temple nondisclosed_email@example.com (pizmeyre)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:02:34 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3966,from=rss#post3966https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3966,from=rss#post3966I like this. I always wondered if too many were taking certain things for granted (the fact that something specific had gone wrong, for example) to make the Event, but I didn't think of this. Most of our theories have generally been Story Theories or Accident Theories (nobody here seems to honestly believe God Theories, as many in the show do), but this postulates the room is part of a normal property of reality, and doesn't need a 'cause.' It may be just a 3-D representation of a set of properties which are incredibly unlikely but not actually impossible. The universe IS supposed to be infinite, correct? But what accounts for the Motive Effects some items (like the quarter) demonstrate. With these items, you have to think or wish specific things. Doesn't this indicate an influence on other "standard" areas of creation normally affected by vanilla Hawking/Einstein varieties of physics?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Syncretic)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:44:31 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3963,from=rss#post3963https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3963,from=rss#post3963There is another far less existential possibility. Maybe we are confusing cause and effect. It may be that the motel room exists at the site of the breakdown precisely because it satisfies the requirements of the breakdown of logic at that exact point. Perhaps an enclosed room with certain kinds of objects and certain kinds of properties is the only thing that makes the fracture work. This is similar to a planet being at the center of a gravitational well. The planet does not just happen to be at the center of the well, it is required to be there. And never hesitate to rock the boat. Our greatest foe is complacency, not mayhem. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:10:58 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3952,from=rss#post3952https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3952,from=rss#post3952My reply was very tounge in cheak. but i really like ur answer. Nice job backing up ur theorys. I can tell Im gonna like it on this site ~Devai~nondisclosed_email@example.com (Devai)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:54:54 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3948,from=rss#post3948https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3948,from=rss#post3948That bothered me as well. However, it occurred to me that since the motel room is the center of the breakdown both in time and space, there is no issue of probability. The breakdown of logic at the exact location of the motel room would be an essential and immutable aspect of reality. It always has broken down there, it always will break down there, and that is that. Asking why it happened to be at the location of room 10 of the Sunshine Motel would be like Prince William asking why he just happened to be born heir to the thrown. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:31:27 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3945,from=rss#post3945https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p3945,from=rss#post3945HaHa... I like it.. of course the likleyhood of this vortex existing where a motel room stood is near to impossible even if you just use the earth as the sphear. let alone the univerce.. but the lost field wouldn't have made good SciFi tv.. Or would it lol... ~Devai~nondisclosed_email@example.com (Devai)Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:07:42 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2886,from=rss#post2886https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2886,from=rss#post2886Well, that’s an interesting problem. Since the vortex would be centered at that particular time and place, events leading up to it and leading away from it must somehow be extensions of it. Joe’s killing of Eddie and taking his place would be something like a crack in a piece of glass emanating from a major fracture. It would be twisted logic following its twisted logical course. The vortex may be centered at that time and place, but there is no reason to assume that the center is clean and simple. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:59:43 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2885,from=rss#post2885https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2885,from=rss#post2885Haha very good and now Joe miller Killed the man that is part of the center of the universe. haha.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ghinius Sahalin)Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:12:39 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2884,from=rss#post2884https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2884,from=rss#post2884To make it easier to talk about this, I suppose we may as well call the place where the lines come together a “vortex”. If the vortex is not merely where the lines of logic come together in 3-D space, but also in 4-D space (with time as the 4th dimension), then there is no need to explain the event. All the lines of logic in the universe converge at the Sunshine Motel on May 4, 1961 at 1:20 PM. That makes Room 10 on May 4, 1961 at 1:20 PM the center of the universe! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:43:19 +0000 Re: Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2881,from=rss#post2881https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2881,from=rss#post2881Very ecellent theory sir. I do have to say that suits the lost room because it is where everything converged upon the logical items. and without logic things happen that do not conform to the way the rest of the lines go so they by thems self effect the flow of lines.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ghinius Sahalin)Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:10:35 +0000 Yet Another Event Theoryhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2880,from=rss#post2880https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p2880,from=rss#post2880There is a theorem in topology with the unglamorous name of The Hairy Ball Theorem. Essentially, what it says is that if a sphere is covered with lines that all go in the same direction (like combed hair) there must be a point where the lines run into each other. For this reason, there has to be a part on your head and there has to be some place on the earth where the wind does not blow. Here is an interesting model of the universe. It assumes that the entire universe is an expanding sphere. Cosmic Membrane Theory Now, suppose that the “material” of this sphere is some form of logic, like a computer program, and that the “lines” of logic must run parallel in a manner similar to the hair on a combed head. Somewhere on the sphere, there must be a place where this logic breaks down. My theory is that the room and the objects represent the places where the logic breaks down. They cannot be changed because they are the placess where the logic is “immobile”. They have weird properties, because they are physical manifestations of conflicting lines of logic. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:42:08 +0000