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ok folks...I asked Chris about Objects with removeable parts...answers in bold:

1. There are two combs in Room 10 during The Event....one in the medicine cabinet and one in the grooming kit on the dresser.....was this intentional ? are they separate Objects ??

1. Ha, I didn't realize there were two combs. That wasn't the intention, but there's no rule against there being two combs.


2. The Transistor Radio has removable earphones....are they a separate Object ??


2. Yes, anything that can be broken down into other pieces -- without breaking the indestructible rule, of course -- would actually be separate Objects. So for instance, you can't rip a match out of the matchbook -- it's indestructible -- so all the matches and the matchbook are one Object. But if you can unplug the headphones from the radio, then they're two separate Objects.


3. In The Grooming Kit there are many Objects that can have a cover removed ...does the cover(s) become Objects when separated from the main Object ??


3. Same as above. Yes, if the cover can be removed then it's a separate Object.


there is the final answer on that !


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*adds that to the FAQ*

we got WAAAY more than 200 Objects then!!


You could have asked him about the naming of the Campho Phenique too, tou know emoticon


I am worried about the combs, as you told Chris there are two combs, and did not say 'it seems there are two combs' that did not actually solve anything...

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we got WAAAY more than 200 Objects then!!
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definately ! The Pen alone is 7-8 Objects all by itself.....this of course opens a can of worms....I mean how far would one go to find the power of every part for every Object ??

In the case of The Transistor Radio I can see The Headphones having a separate power.....but The Pen (spring, button, ink tube, top and end cover, etc..) would be maddening to figure out.

The Flask....both cap and flask would have a separeate power....but tough to figure out.

The Grooming Kit would push this to new limits.....this piece of info while very vital is a pandora's box in the Object world.


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I don't think there should be an absolute answer. With the earpiece and radio, the earpiece can be used with any radio and the radio with any earpiece. Logically they are completely different objects.
  But the pen is a pen. A piece of the pen is only a PIECE of an object, not an object.

I think we're asking for hard concrete rules, and the concept just hasn't been thought through in such a detailed way.

 For instance, if you now asked him about the pen, he might indeed say the pen is one object with one power only.

As to the comb, they said that Stritzke had the comb. If there were two combs, they would have said Stritzke had "a comb" or "one of the combs".

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we already know Chris has stated: dismantling is destroying

taking the pen apart would not require tools, yes, but it would effectively NOT be a pen afterwards... BUT maybe the Pen parts can be taken apart, without the Pen loosing it´s 'Penness' it just is not usable when dismantled, only to put the parts back together would make it a Pen again...

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Sometimes you can't apply logic to science fiction...
....but here is my Unified Object Theory.

You have to ask yourself this of each of the objects:
"Can apparent seperate pieces independantly perform their intended purpose?"

Perform Intended Purpose = P.I.P.

Pen : P.I.P = clickable in and out and writes on paper like products. If you remove ANY part of the pen, it no longer P.I.P.s. Therefore one object.

Grooming kit : P.I.P. = Each part of the kit performs an Independant P.I.P. Each piece does not need another piece to perform it's function. And what you have left after removing all valid pieces will also be an object. Such as the case the grooming supplies comes in. And the watch box after the watch is removed and the soap wrapper after the soap was removed. (before becoming an object.) As long as all removeable objects behave independantly, the leftover object is an object.

Flask : P.I.P. = Keep liquids inside without spilling. Can the flask P.I.P. without the lid ? Answer : No. Therefore lid and flask constitute a single object.

TV and securing chain : P.I.P of TV = To plug into AC and tune in tv broadcasts. P.I.P. of securing chain with screws = to secure one object to another object.
The TV P.I.P.s just fine without the chain. And the chain and screws which you can buy at any hardware store are not an inherent part of the tv (when you buy this tv it has no chain) and since the chain is not specifically designed to hold a TV only, then it can P.I.P to another object other than the tv.
  TV is one object, chain and screws is at least one object.

Transistor radio and earpiece : P.I.P of radio = tune in radio broadcasts and display them audiably. P.I.P of earpiece = plug into a radio and make volume "private".
 The radio P.I.P.s just fine without the earpiece since it has a built in speaker for that. The earpiece is fairly universal and can P.I.P. with most radios. It's function is not solely dependant on this specific radio.


All caps to products as explained with flask are necessary to the proper function of that item and are not seperate objects.


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All caps to products as explained with flask are necessary to the proper function of that item and are not seperate objects.




Good theory this your P.I.P although Chris just stated above, all caps are separate Objects...

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all caps are separate Objects...





The flask cap turns the power of the flask on and off. The flask is not usuable as an object without the cap. It just doesn't make sense that the cap is independant if it's NOT independant.

The pen CAN be taken apart into individual parts without destroying it. It HAS to be taken apart to change the ink refill. If Chris's theory were absolute, then all parts of the pen would be seperate objects. But if you ask Chris if the pen is a single object, and he says "yes" then he has contridicted his own theory.

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all caps are separate Objects...





The flask cap turns the power of the flask on and off. The flask is not usuable as an object without the cap. It just doesn't make sense that the cap is independant if it's NOT independant.

The pen CAN be taken apart into individual parts without destroying it. It HAS to be taken apart to change the ink refill. If Chris's theory were absolute, then all parts of the pen would be seperate objects. But if you ask Chris if the pen is a single object, and he says "yes" then he has contridicted his own theory.



Well Chris is one of the Creators, so whatever he says about Objects is not a theory :P

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Well Chris is one of the Creators, so whatever he says about Objects is not a theory :P



If the creator of Superman just decides to say Superman is a woman and was always a woman because that's the way he intended it, then that would contradict what has been established and is publically known.

The show publically establishes that there are 'about' 100 objects. If you count all lids,caps, and seperable objects then you don't get anything near a meer 100 objects.

I'm saying it's too late for Chris to change his mind on what has already been established in the story. Superman is a man.

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