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Uh... That reference I don't get... (Haven't seen Lost... O_O)
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Guy's in an underground bunker when it explodes. He wakes up outside, naked with no idea how he got there and with a strange power.

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Ah. Ok.


All righty, we can work with that... playing Devil's Advocate, why would Our Eddie get seperated from the room? The Room itself seems to still me grounded in it's original (so to speak) space, as edvidenced by the Polaroid... wandering around where room 10 should be lets you see it as it was prior to the Event. (That must have been a fun scene to shoot... and by "fun" I mean the hardest thing on the entire production.)

If he was seperated, why wasn't everything seperated (the TV, the bed, the closet door, the plaster on the walls, the nails holding the ceiling tiles up, and so on and so on and so forth)?
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Yeah scratch that. If that was the case all of the Objects should be in the room, not the few that the Conroy's found.

I still like the idea that Eddie came from a parallel world where he had a wife and where room 10 existed better than his existance was just blinked out of this one. Having said that, the blinking out theory works better as it explains the disappearance of all of his IDs. Driver's license, business cards, etc.

So he wakes up, exits room 10 through the door of room 9 not realzing something happened, drops the key at the desk and heads for home. The Conroy's find the key to the non-existent room and we all know what happens next.

I think it's key to explore what Eddie was doing when he checked into the motel. In a discussion I once had with Christopher, I asked him if Eddie was a traveling salesman. His response was "Eddie was traveling." Which implies that he was not a salesman. So where was he traveling from and to, and why?

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I want to work a bit with the malignancy theory. Suppose there was something wrong with that bit of space. For some reason, the idea that a malevolent and very powerful being had gotten into the room makes sense. If there was a sort of time/inter-dimensional “gun” that could shoot such a being from across space and time, it might be said to “explode” the being. However, this explosion would not be like one we are familiar with. The thing it targets would not explode through the surrounding territory, but into it. Perhaps it exploded into the surrounding objects in and around the room and carried them with it across a small volume of space. This could explain the objects powers and how they got away from their original location. The “electricity” Eddie described could actually be the essence of this being. Of course, the being would want to put itself back together, which could explain why the objects are trying to get back together. We have good reason to believe the objects are malevolent, which justifies the idea that the being is malevolent and also explains why someone or something would want to destroy it. The “event” might be one casualty in a war that is taking place across the entire space/time continuum. Or it might be an imperfect healing process in biological system that stretches across the same continuum.
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First, Paul: If he wasn't a traveling salesman (no known sample cases or advertising paraphernalia to support the idea, certainly) then there's still buckets or possibilities why he was traveling-- Maybe he was on a business trip, or on his way to/from a job interview, maybe he was going to a convention of some kind (it would amuse me no end to learn he was a fanboy, but his being a Shriner or a Rabbi or something seems far more likely), or maybe he was having marital problems with Mabel and was travelling Route 66 in an effort to "find himself". That last one seems the most depressing, since he ended up loosing himself literally beyond measure.

Now, Spikosauropod: The main reason I'm against the "Evil Alien" idea is, I admit, meta-thinking: It's just been done so many times before. Star Trek's done it, Superman's done it, Dr. Who has done it, I can name a dozen anime with that plot just off the top of my head... In Dave Land I'd really rather it be something less malignant in intention, though destructive in practical fact.

Two such possibilties throw a wrench in your "Gun" concept, though it can still be adapted: First, a weakness in Time/Space analogous to a worn spot on a tire, the universal "patch kit" smeared Time/Space over the spot, stabilizing the weakness but trapping the Room inside like an air bubble. Normal wear and tear won't threaten the seal but poking at it (e. g., the Conroy experiment) will cause trouble.

Second, a Time/Space consuming life form (Not so much Galactus as Langoliers made a wrong turn and started munching on fresh Time/Space by mistake. This maybe happens fairly often (Socks in the dryer, pens and pencils, government documents) but in the case of the Room, too much damage was done for it not to be noticed. No malevoulence involved, Our Critter is just being a happy worm breaking up soil, doing what comes naturally... he just chose the wrong place to do it and ended up going splat.

While the "Gun" idea doesn't work in the sense of "something projected at high velocity and exploding on contact with the target", it could be something like the Patch Kit I mentioned before, something that moistened the surrounding area and allowed for remolding to create a new stable surface, or maybe a metaphorical kind of acid that was intended to "neutralize" the Critter but for some bizarre reason instead of melting, it went Splat and corrupted the contens of the Room, creating the Objects.

Another idea I had supports multiple dimensions: The Objects are currently in Earth 1, before the Event they were in Earth 2. Maybe somewhere on, like, Earth 14, there was an experiment in interdimensional travel on the counterpart coordinates to that exact spot that had an accident, sending out shockwaves sideways across Time/Space. All kinds of wacky effects could result, but all we see is what happened to Room 10. Again, Earth 14 wasn't trying to be malicious, they might not even be aware anything happened... but it got done just the same.

How The Objects Left The Room: I don't think we have a fully formed school of thought on this. My thinking is, Eddie left the room without realising (or understanding-- a subtle but important difference) what had happened and went about his business; spending money, tossing away wrappers and used containers, until he slowly began to feel the weight of non-existance. He probably went insane during this period, abandoning his suitcase(s) (full of Objects), and maybe even discarding his clothes in favor of something less conspicuous until finally getting arrested for disturbing the peace and getting tossed in the asylum. (I hate to think it, but he must have been so repulsed by his Glass Eye, psychologically or Object-wise, that he pulled out to get rid of it... that's both an "Ouch" and an "Ew".)

Meanwhile the Key is found and played with (who wouldn't?) and Objects Eddie left behind get picked up for whatever reason ("Ooo, I can use a new clock, no one will mind... Hey! My trombone just evaporated! Aaah!") and leave the Room over time.

The Driver's License probably does exist (along with credit cards, small photos, pocket lint, reciepts and what-all else might be in his wallet at the time) but probably has dormant powers and never made itself known. It's probably sealed in a police store room tagged as personal effects and long forgotten. On the other hand, he had a Bus Ticket... why bother with a driver's license if you're not going to drive?

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Jeez... the electrons aren't even cold and I'm already thinking up new stuff...

Eddie had a Glass Eye. There was a Pair of Glasses that probably didn't belong to Eddie.

Why was Eddie in a remote motel in Gallup, New Mexico (just over the border from his home state) with someone else's glasses?

Granted, the could have been left behind by the previous motel guest... they didn't seem to affect Ruber's vision, so the simple explaination is they weren't very strong... but still, this seems to point to something significant.
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Sometimes the least considered detail turns out to contain the best clues to a phenomenon. It was only when color rings began to get consideration that it was realized light has properties of waves. Maybe we need to give more consideration to how the objects got out of the room, how far they were carried, etc.

I just can’t buy that Eddie was insane or went berserk. Nor could anyone have forced him into captivity against his will. A person who cannot be harmed is certain to find a way to escape. I’m inclined to think he checked himself into the sanitarium much later just to get away from the objects and sort of check out of life: his way of dying until something better came along. Also, keep in mind that he apparently went back to the motel several times of his own accord—as with the Conroy experiment.

He may have carried just his packed suitcase out of the hotel. Other items may have been carried out later by the collectors after they found the key. It is easy to explain how Eddie got out of the hotel. He probably went out using the key. He expected to go out the door of room 10 and pictured that in his mind. He may not even have noticed that he actually went out the door of room 8 or 9.

So, he went over to the lobby and checked out. Is it possible that he checked out without anyone realizing something was seriously amiss? Was it as simple as turning in the key? If he was headed back to Willowbrook, He might have walked to the next bus stop. He had to wait for a while, so he took out the 1961 World Almanac (with the picture of him and Mable tucked between the pages for protection) and started looking at it. When he saw the bus coming he tried to take his bus ticket out of his coat pocket. He was not holding onto his suitcase at the time and it was left standing at the edge of the street as he, the Almanac, and the picture were swept off to a location about a mile or so down the road.

That might have been his first realization that something was wrong. If he picked up the bus ticket again, the same thing would have happened, so he probably got fed up and left it at the location where it tends to drop people. Someone was bound to come along and pick it up—and get an awful surprise. The bus ticket would remain in essentially the same place until someone figured out that they had to pick it up without touching it.

Eddie would have been gone for at least an hour while his suitcase was left standing out on the road. Someone from town might have picked it up. That could explain how the objects got introduced to the immediate environment of the collectors. Whoever found it may have turned it into the police or some other local institution. If the owner of the suitcase—a person who could not possibly be identified—never turned up, the items in the case might have been donated or sold on auction. That could explain how they got distributed.

The really big question is how the people who became the collectors realized there were several objects and many of them had special properties. If the key had been left at the office, Conroy was certain to have experimented with it. After all, what door did the key to room 10 open? She would immediately have discovered that it could do something incredible. News of the bus ticket would have spread around town fairly quickly, so there were two objects that were identified. Conroy was pretty intelligent, so she might have guessed that the ticket and the key were connected. If other strange stories turned up, she might have been right on it. She might have gone to the people who reported these things and asked if she could buy the objects or at least look at them. If she had the key, she would have no difficulty absconding with them. The more objects she gathered, the more options she would have. She probably showed these things to Gus, and that was the beginning of the collectors. Conroy would have had incredible powers by this time. Keep in mind that the objects were mostly together in her possession. She might have acquired telepathy and other powers she was not even aware of. We know that the objects tend to drive people insane and make them very compulsive. All of this together could explain why Conroy thought she knew what to do with the objects and invented the Conroy experiment.

Now, what happened to Eddie when he realized things were amiss? Maybe he walked back to the bus stop and discovered that his suitcase was gone. Then he walked into town and tried to find it. There is no reason why the person who found the suitcase would have turned it in right away, so there may have been no clue to its whereabouts. Eddie probably left information at the local police station and went on his way. He apparently had some money in his pocket, so he may have gotten something to eat (very speculative) and bought another ticket to Willowbrook. That would have taken him to Mabel where he would have first realized his identity had been erased. After he knew his identity had been erased, he might have taken quite a while getting back to his suitcase. He had no job, no home, no identity, and very little money. He may not have had any practical way to get back to New Mexico. Nor would it necessarily have immediately occurred to him that it would be of any help to find his lost suitcase with its contents. Since he would have given the Gallup authorities a bogus phone number, there was no way for them to contact him immediately. By the time they sent a letter to his address he might have gone to see Mabel and already have been on his way. Mabel might have simply discarded the letter. This left plenty of time for the objects to be distributed.

The rest is history.


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That works. That, or some variation (which may or may not include facts not yet in evidence... like the owner of the Glasses) sound the most likely. I really think by the time he got to Mabel and began to understand the gravity of the situation he was probably getting ready to have a nervous breakdown-- consider George Baily in "It's A Wonderful Life". Eddie's meeting with Mabel was dramatic enough to make the newspaper, so he probably made quite a scene.

Is it possible that he checked out without anyone realizing something was seriously amiss?

Easily. Having done a fair amount of traveling myself, I can tell you that it's not unusual for different people to be working the counter at various times in the day, so someone you don't recognize showing up to turn in a key first thing in the moring would not raise an eyebrow-- much. They might equally have not paid close attention to the key, just saw that it was a Sunshine Motel key and put it somewere to deal with later. being '61, they wouldn't have had an electronic credit card swipe thing, if they even accepted credit cards (or checks) at all.

Hmmm... there's probably a couple hundred dollars worth' of money Objects (tens and twenties) floating around. I bet there's at least three government money shreading machines that spontaniously broke and no one knows why. ^_^

The Bus Ticket.... heh. My first thought, once I understood how the ticket worked, was that the spot it warps to is the location of the old bus stop, where Eddie left the bus. It's in the middle of the street probably because the street shifted (got repaved and re-surveyed and repaved again) since '61.

The really big question is how the people who became the collectors realized there were several objects and many of them had special properties.

Wasn't it Wally who said the Objects, and likewise their Owners (Handlers? Hosts?) were "drawn" to each other? The pull to be able to share a chunk of knowledge with a select group is pretty strong by itself, without weird buzzings in your ear.
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I bet there's at least three government money shreading machines that spontaniously broke and no one knows why.



That makes me think of a really important issue that may suggest a solution to the whole puzzle. How is it that these objects existed for over 40 years and no government agency caught on? Is there, perhaps, some quality to the objects that keeps them from gaining notoriety? Maybe the force that pulled them out of reality to begin with is still active in some way. Maybe the objects create “reality wells” of sorts.

Of course!!!! The objects are singularities. Except that, instead of being gravitational singularities, they are reality singularities. When they get together, they create a big singularity—sort of a reality black hole. That’s what the event was. It was a reality black hole!

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