The Event https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/t113 Runboard| The Event en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:19:40 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:19:40 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8258,from=rss#post8258https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8258,from=rss#post8258quote: And a little off topic: How do people figure out how to combine some things? I mean look at the Experiment. How'd they know what Objects to use? I mean atleast one of those Objects is Dormant so it's not like they mixed Objects that had specific powers. Any ideas? It is amazing the things people figure out. How did people discover how to make fire or ferment grapes? However, the Conroy experiment appears to be a special case. Recall that Arlene Conroy possessed most of the objects when she attempted it. She was apparently aware of properties of the objects that were never passed along. My best guess is that the objects somehow “told” her to conduct the experiment and also told her exactly how to set it up. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:01:29 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8257,from=rss#post8257https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8257,from=rss#post8257Right. I'm new to the group. I saw the series when it first came out, and now that I'm rewatching it my overactive mind is sprouting ideas. Now I'm too lazy to read this whole thread right now but I will in the next day or two. The two main ideas as to how The Event and the subsequent creation of The Objects are as follows: A. Eddie did something simple. Like turn on the T.V., or put on a shoe. Perhaps he didn't do something. But what if he did, or did not do something that The Universe had already set as a Planned Fact? Thus breaking some unseen law, and reality ripped that section of Spacetime out of it. But because Matter cannot be created nor destroyed The Objects were created. B. The Connroy Experiment (SP?) caused it. Yes it's a Paradox. Yes, it's odd. But in the show the film shows The Occupant stopping The Experiment by pulling her into the room. Couldn't those people doing that little Experiment have caused The Event simply by doing what it is they did? I mean when you take into account the things Objects can do, it isn't too difficult to think that that could have been the reason. And a little off topic: How do people figure out how to combine some things? I mean look at the Experiment. How'd they know what Objects to use? I mean atleast one of those Objects is Dormant so it's not like they mixed Objects that had specific powers. Any ideas?nondisclosed_email@example.com (DustinD)Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:38:18 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8242,from=rss#post8242https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8242,from=rss#post8242I’ve been working hard on theories for a long time. Here is my current favorite.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:10:45 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8220,from=rss#post8220https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p8220,from=rss#post8220Well. After being hit with that theory, my pitiful one where "the night before" Eddie was down at the local Red Rock Saloon chatting up a Navajo Elder who reveals to him special knowledge of the Grandfathers and the origin of Life happening through a vortex such as believed to be in Sedona, and the Navajo Elder provides the Flask containing the firewater....Eddie drinks it all, using the shot glass, and has an Altered State sort of Event...just pales in comparison so eh.   nondisclosed_email@example.com (nikkishinn)Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:58:28 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p942,from=rss#post942https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p942,from=rss#post942MORE ON PSYCHOTRONIC FIELD THEORY WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE CONROY EXPERIMENT Room 10 is an object. Like other objects, it has its own properties that are activated by specific stimuli. Like all objects, room 10 generates a field of irrational energy that is absolute throughout the volume of the object and tapers off markedly at the boundary. The boundary of room 10 is the paint on the walls. However, because room 10 is sealed and contains air composed of psychotronically based oxygen molecules, the field within room 10 is unusually strong. As noted before, when the doorway of room 10 is opened, an unstable configuration is formed. The space inside the room has an unusually strong psychotronic field but the space just beyond has almost none at all. Hence, when air attempts to pass into or out of the room it is swapped so that the air inside remains psychotronic. When objects are placed in the doorway while it is being opened, the instability of the field is magnified. The objects create something of a lensing effect. This lensing effect results in three phenomena. First, it causes the objects, through the imbalance of irrationality, to be drawn into the room. Second, it amplifies the irrational field generated by the objects, and third, it results in new kinds of behavior for all the objects involved. A good example of this phenomenon was the Conroy experiment. When Barbara Conroy and the Collectors placed a large group of objects on the door of room 9 and opened it, two things happened. The imbalance in the field forced the objects, through ordinary quantum principles, to be “blinked” into the room. They also caused Conroy to be blinked out of ordinary space and time and begin a process of cycling through the different incarnations of room 10. Since the door that was opened into room 10 was also the door of room 9, her cycling includes the entirely terrestrial room 9. HOW DID JOE AND JENNIFER BRING CONROY BACK The comb causes rational objects to speed up. When Joe used it in room 9, he was able to speed up and capture Barbara Conroy in one of her cycles. One of the problems with her cycling, however, was that it was nonlinear. She did not cycle all together as a single entity and she was not in one place at one time. By using the box that dampens entropy, Joe was able to make her cycling linear. In this way, he was able to observe her in one place. Once Barbara Conroy was simplified in this way, she died an ordinary death that resulted from the disruption in her system caused by an imperfect restoration of her linearity. However, once she died, she was no longer the same body of matter that was originally caught up by the experiment, so the cycles ceased and she lay dead on the floor of room 9 after the accelerating effect of the comb ended. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OBJECTS IN ROOM 10 AFTER JOE SHOT EDDIE When an object is destroyed, its psychotronic field is momentarily liberated while it finds a new host. This brief moment of liberation results in a temporary upsurge in the pshchotronic effect that can be described as a pulse. When Joe shot Eddie, the exchange of particles in his body with those in Eddie’s caused a psychotronic pulse. This pulse in the sealed room created an instability that had the same effect on the objects that the door experiment did, except that this time the instability had the opposite orientation and propelled the objects out of the room. They simply blinked out of room 10 and landed in various irrationally selected locations around the world. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:34:13 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p912,from=rss#post912https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p912,from=rss#post912quote:B4tg1rl wrote: I don't think it is that odd that we've seen no govt conspiracy regarding the objects... It seems like the objects would end up either on the cover of the New York Times or in a top-secret lab. Do you suppose their anonymity was for narrative purposes? I would assume that, except for Joe’s incredulity at learning there are about 100 of them. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:23:21 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p906,from=rss#post906https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p906,from=rss#post906I don't think it is that odd that we've seen no govt conspiracy regarding the objects, and I rather enjoyed the absence of that aspect (love it but it's been done to death). We've seen the obsessional behaviour set in extremely quickly - I'd imagine any govt personnel who ran across them would be so personally invested as to be unwilling to share or inform.nondisclosed_email@example.com (B4tg1rl)Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:24:12 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p903,from=rss#post903https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p903,from=rss#post903MORE ON PSYCHOTRONIC FIELD THEORY How Eddie was actually transformed into an object. Eddie had been transforming into an object for his entire life. The material that his mother ingested to form the first permanent components of his body contained psychotrons, the food he ate growing up contained psychotrons, and the food he ingested during his last days as an ordinary person contained psychotrons. However, it was impossible for him to transform into an object because of the fresh water that kept circulating though his system. When he checked into the Sunshine Motel and took a shower, the last psychotrons that were necessary to transform him came into the room through the shower nozzle. As psychotronic water poured onto him it exchanged places molecule for molecule with the water in his system. This was done with ordinary quantum principles guided by the irrationality of the growing psychotronic field. The non-psychotronic water that changed places with the psychotronic water simply went down the drain and out of the room. This exchange of water was the result of the psychotronic field’s natural tendency to attract psychotrons and repel rationality. How the event transformed the room and what became of it. By the time of the event, everything in the room was psychotronic except the photon particles in the light. Even the lumber used to build the room was psychotronic. When the fateful Polaroid was taken that provided the final psychotrons necessary to cause critical irrationality and the event, the room became fully psychotronic and something extremely irrational happened. The room was knocked out of our universe and into irrational space. Similar to how the psychotrons originally created our universe, they now created a universe of Sunshine Motel room 10’s. This new universe consisted of an infinite number of room 10’s all stacked together like bricks extending to infinity in every direction. The psychotrons did not reproduce in order to create these additional rooms. The same psychotrons that formed the room continually cycle through time so that every room 10 is composed of the same collection of psychotrons. This duplication of rooms was necessary so that the space in and around the room would be fully psychotronic and thus neutralize the effect of the psychotrons. Since all psychotrons are pulled equally in every direction by the forces of irrationality, they no longer cling together as objects while in the room and they no longer exhibit their apparent powers. This is the reason why the objects do not work in room 10. When the key is used, a door into our universe is opened. During this time the psychotronic air in the room is allowed to pass out of the room and ordinary air is allowed to pass in. However, as this happens, the air coming into the room exchanges places with the air going out so that the air in the room remains fully psychotronic. As with the shower water described earlier, this is the result of ordinary quantum properties guided by the irrationality of the psychotrons. The psychotronic field works at the threshold of the door when it is opened because there is no psychotronic field outside to counter it. How the field generated by objects actually draws psychotrons and irrationality together. The psychotronic field does not distort space as gravity does. Instead, it causes irrational events to occur that attract other irrational events and psychotrons. This is a very dynamic process. Since the psychotronic field extends forward and backward through time, its relationship with the events around it often seems quite complex and even symbiotic. For example, even though the Sood and Suzie Kang seem to have thriving rationally organized businesses that depend on their awareness of the objects, their businesses do not exist for their own purposes. Actually both of these proprietors provide a “service” for the psychotrons. By providing ready information to object seekers they keep the objects circulating so that they have more opportunity to move together. Of note, the objects in the vault were only put back into circulation because the Sood provided information to Joe Miller. It is important to realize that the businesses the Sood and Suzie Kang have organized are not particularly rational. Neither the Sood nor Suzie are very interested in actually understanding the objects—only making money—and neither proprietor is particularly happy or gregarious. The Sood sits alone in his office all day and Suzie sits in the back of a drycleaner. More on the physics of psychotrons later. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:09:33 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p883,from=rss#post883https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p883,from=rss#post883It was only because of the input from DaveIII. Somehow, he got my mind going in the right direction so that all of this suddenly popped out. I had a Bob Dylan moment. Thanks Dave! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:37:18 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p882,from=rss#post882https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p882,from=rss#post882That makes so much sense it takes your breath away. THAT is the best theory I have read yet by far ! You put some serious thought into that Spike !! I tip my hat to you Sir !! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Chucklbunny)Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:28:48 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p880,from=rss#post880https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p880,from=rss#post880Well…since I’ve gotten away with this so far, I would like to expand on and tighten up my theory. It seems, though I can’t exactly make an argument for why, that the event should have occurred fairly rapidly—even instantaneously—after the conditions were right. For this reason I have been giving some thought to how the psychotrons that satisfied the critical irrationality requirement got into the room. Perhaps, after Eddie entered the room with his suitcase full of irrational objects and a sufficient number of psychotron based water molecules replaced the water in his body, one more thing happened. For no reason at all, a person walking by the front of the motel room as Eddie was gazing out the window decided to take a Polaroid through the window at Eddie. Unknown to the hapless passerby, the photons in his flash contained the final psychotrons that were needed to achieve critical irrationality. The photons literally bathed the primed room with the final psychotrons quickly enough so that critical irrationality could be achieved without something else going wrong. The bridge between the film and the now critical room caused the film to be saturated with psychotrons thus transforming the film into an object as well. Another thing that bothers me is why the objects seem to be absolutely irrational right up to their surface but not beyond. This can be explained with quantum principles. Apparently, irrationality is quantized so that it can only increase or decrease in discrete increments. Therefore, there can be no smooth change from the level of irrationality in the object and the level of irrationality without. The object is absolutely irrational, but the space just beyond its surface is only about 30% or less irrational. This also explains what is meant by critical irrationality. When enough of the objects are brought close enough together, they are able, collectively, to generate a strong enough field so that a space of complete irrationality is formed outside of their volumes. This, of course, is what happened in Room 10 when it was bathed in irrational light. The objects were apparently dormant until Eddie carried them into the room. This is fairly simple to explain. It should be noted that almost none of the objects work unless they are in the hands of an operator who knows what they are supposed to do. For example, the scissors do not work unless an operator points them at something and makes a conscious decision to rotate it. Before the event, it just never occurred to anyone to use the objects in the way that later operators did. Since most of the objects were formed in the 50’s they did not have to remain dormant for very long. A little more about psychotrons. The irrational part of every psychotron is essentially the same. However, the rational part corresponds to some real world particle. Thus, an electron can have a rational electron part and an irrational part; a photon can have a rational photon part and an irrational part, etc. The field that psychotrons generate decreased inversely as the square through both space and time. This explains how they seem to see rational structures approaching and effectively head them off at the pass. It also explains how they seem to muck things up before they even happen. There are examples in the miniseries for all these phenomena. Here are some examples of the psychotronic field in action: A cop, Joe miller, on a routine homicide investigation discovers the key. He is a level-headed, honest, rational man who will almost certainly turn the key over to a government agency who will study it and discover its properties. However, in the process of his investigation, his daughter is kidnapped and he is accused of murder so that he can never report his discovery. A philosophy professor named Howard Montague and an engineer named Wally Jabrowski would eventually work together to form a comprehensive theory of physics that included, as part of their explanation, the existence of psychotrons. They were preemptively stopped from doing this. Their careers were both wrecked and they became totally obsessed with petty ambitions. A math instructor from the Seattle area forms a theory of everything that includes the existence of psychotrons. No one takes him seriously because he seems to have gotten the idea from a fantasy miniseries. Before he gets a chance to reformulate his theory in a more convincing form, he discovers an umbrella that causes people to think they know him and ends up marrying a supermodel. His time is so consumed by passion for her that he quickly forgets about all intellectual pursuits. A secretary who is content in her work and happy with her life inherits a pair of scissors that she is told have the magical power to rotate things. She falls in love with the scissors and remains in love with them even though as she continues to use them her life gets worse and worse and she ends up as a drug dealer. As you can see, irrationality can take many forms. It seems clear that the objects must make their owners fall in love with them and simultaneously ruin their lives. This, of course, is the most irrational of all possible relationships, yet one that many of us find ourselves in. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:52:19 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p856,from=rss#post856https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p856,from=rss#post856Since I am proposing something like a scientific model, I expect nothing but the most critical peer review. Actually, I have a whole theory. Here it goes:   The basis of all of our mathematics is rationality. This is the basis, also, of most of our science. Rationality is essentially Aristotelian logic with its three assumptions: 1. A proposition is either true or false. 2. A proposition cannot be both true and false. 3. The truth value of a proposition cannot change. Mathematical proof would be impossible without these assumptions. However, we have no guarantee that these are more than local properties. It might be that the universe beyond measurable space is irrational. It is important to understand that irrationality is not the same as entropy or randomness. It is the absence of the three laws described above. Perhaps one of the most irrational things ever to occur in the larger universe was the creation of our space (what we call the universe). Yet, here it is with its ability to support life and its accompanying conscious sentient beings. The most irrational thing about our universe, at least according to my theory, is that the whole thing, for its relatively limited expanse, is apparently completely rational. However, that is not quite true. When the Big Bang occurred—a massive explosion of rationality—along with it was included a tiny class of particles which I call psychotrons. Psychotrons have a rational part and an irrational part. They are sort of like complex numbers, except that instead of having a real part and an imaginary part they have a rational part that anchors them in our reality, and an irrational part that is more like their natural state. Psychotrons create around them a mathematically precise field of irrationality that decreases inversely with the square of distance (like gravity). This field of irrationality draws in other irrationality, especially other psychotrons, and consequently pushes out rationality. The first instance of psychotrons being drawn together was the creation of our own universe with all its requisite rationality (more on that later). The second instance of them being drawn together was the creation of our world with its one orbital moon and its stable life supporting conditions. With time, the psychotrons that found their way to our planet also found their way together so that they were forged into scissors, printed as magazines, and molded into soap, toothbrushes, etc. Some of them also wound up in cans of paint that were used to paint the walls of an unfortunate room 10 in an out of the way motel in Gallup New Mexico. Because psychotrons create a field of irrationality, they make it unlikely that they will come under rational scrutiny. Even if that happens, they quickly dissolve whatever rationality leads to their rational observation so that their existence simply is not believed by any rational cohesive structure like a government or a scientific community. Again, it is important to understand that they do not create a field of entropy. They do not make anyone forget. They just make it impossible to come near them in the form of an Aristotelian structure. The event did not create the objects. The objects created the event. When the room was painted with irrational paint, it was primed to achieve critical irrationality. Then, just like a projectile carrying a radioactive isotope, Eddie walked into the room with his suitcase full of irrational objects. However, psychotrons are their own worst enemy. While, on the one hand, they create fields of irrationality that draw them together, these same fields cause more and more irrational things to happen. After Eddie went into the room and critical irrationality was achieved, the room was, quite irrationally, blinked out of existence across the spectrum of space and time and Eddie was allowed to walk out with his suitcase full of irrational objects. The question is: how did Eddie become an object? Maybe, as he was taking a shower, the last irrational particles came in through the shower water and replaced the water in his body. By that time, the irrationality was so strong that the particles just jumped from one location to another and became Eddie. Irrational objects are singularities of irrationality. The concentration of irrationality in them is so strong that they cannot be pulled apart and they behave in very irrational ways. Again, it is important to understand that their behavior is not random, it is irrational. Hence the scissors do something completely ridiculous, yet they do exactly the same thing every time. Nor is there any pattern across objects. Some of them do something that makes sense, like open a door, and others do something that makes no sense whatsoever, like manufacturing brand new 1961 pennies. I have to get back to the issue of how the particles created the universe. My hypothesis is that the particles were created first and it was their rationality, not their irrationality, that created our universe. Hence, they created a rational universe but one that is only rational in a very relative sense since before the universe there was no such thing as rationality. If understood correctly, my theory does not say that there is anything “correct” about the state of our universe, only that it is consistent. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:58:25 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p846,from=rss#post846https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p846,from=rss#post846Um... not quite tracking that... you mean they suck reality into them? Less Time/Space as a proper singularity does, and more... I dunno, Threads of Destiny, for lack of a better term? Plausable... though why do Object Losers remember having lost their items? Why do Sood and Suzie Kang seem to be able to build thriving practices out of tracking and selling information about the Objects? Also, can we be sure the Gummint doesn't know? It could be the Objects never crossed the desk of a counterpart to Mulder, and were either unrecognized by the appreciative or ignored by the unconcerned. Admitedly, the Watch or the Umbrella have limited military application. ^_~ Maybe the Mulder did find an Object and became Legion or part of the Order. I'm not trying to shoot you down, Devil's Advocate is a role that comes to me a little too easy. ^_^nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:01:40 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p845,from=rss#post845https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p845,from=rss#post845quote:I bet there's at least three government money shreading machines that spontaniously broke and no one knows why. That makes me think of a really important issue that may suggest a solution to the whole puzzle. How is it that these objects existed for over 40 years and no government agency caught on? Is there, perhaps, some quality to the objects that keeps them from gaining notoriety? Maybe the force that pulled them out of reality to begin with is still active in some way. Maybe the objects create “reality wells” of sorts. Of course!!!! The objects are singularities. Except that, instead of being gravitational singularities, they are reality singularities. When they get together, they create a big singularity—sort of a reality black hole. That’s what the event was. It was a reality black hole! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:22:47 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p843,from=rss#post843https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p843,from=rss#post843That works. That, or some variation (which may or may not include facts not yet in evidence... like the owner of the Glasses) sound the most likely. I really think by the time he got to Mabel and began to understand the gravity of the situation he was probably getting ready to have a nervous breakdown-- consider George Baily in "It's A Wonderful Life". Eddie's meeting with Mabel was dramatic enough to make the newspaper, so he probably made quite a scene. Is it possible that he checked out without anyone realizing something was seriously amiss? Easily. Having done a fair amount of traveling myself, I can tell you that it's not unusual for different people to be working the counter at various times in the day, so someone you don't recognize showing up to turn in a key first thing in the moring would not raise an eyebrow-- much. They might equally have not paid close attention to the key, just saw that it was a Sunshine Motel key and put it somewere to deal with later. being '61, they wouldn't have had an electronic credit card swipe thing, if they even accepted credit cards (or checks) at all. Hmmm... there's probably a couple hundred dollars worth' of money Objects (tens and twenties) floating around. I bet there's at least three government money shreading machines that spontaniously broke and no one knows why. ^_^ The Bus Ticket.... heh. My first thought, once I understood how the ticket worked, was that the spot it warps to is the location of the old bus stop, where Eddie left the bus. It's in the middle of the street probably because the street shifted (got repaved and re-surveyed and repaved again) since '61. The really big question is how the people who became the collectors realized there were several objects and many of them had special properties. Wasn't it Wally who said the Objects, and likewise their Owners (Handlers? Hosts?) were "drawn" to each other? The pull to be able to share a chunk of knowledge with a select group is pretty strong by itself, without weird buzzings in your ear.nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:07:30 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p832,from=rss#post832https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p832,from=rss#post832Sometimes the least considered detail turns out to contain the best clues to a phenomenon. It was only when color rings began to get consideration that it was realized light has properties of waves. Maybe we need to give more consideration to how the objects got out of the room, how far they were carried, etc. I just can’t buy that Eddie was insane or went berserk. Nor could anyone have forced him into captivity against his will. A person who cannot be harmed is certain to find a way to escape. I’m inclined to think he checked himself into the sanitarium much later just to get away from the objects and sort of check out of life: his way of dying until something better came along. Also, keep in mind that he apparently went back to the motel several times of his own accord—as with the Conroy experiment. He may have carried just his packed suitcase out of the hotel. Other items may have been carried out later by the collectors after they found the key. It is easy to explain how Eddie got out of the hotel. He probably went out using the key. He expected to go out the door of room 10 and pictured that in his mind. He may not even have noticed that he actually went out the door of room 8 or 9. So, he went over to the lobby and checked out. Is it possible that he checked out without anyone realizing something was seriously amiss? Was it as simple as turning in the key? If he was headed back to Willowbrook, He might have walked to the next bus stop. He had to wait for a while, so he took out the 1961 World Almanac (with the picture of him and Mable tucked between the pages for protection) and started looking at it. When he saw the bus coming he tried to take his bus ticket out of his coat pocket. He was not holding onto his suitcase at the time and it was left standing at the edge of the street as he, the Almanac, and the picture were swept off to a location about a mile or so down the road. That might have been his first realization that something was wrong. If he picked up the bus ticket again, the same thing would have happened, so he probably got fed up and left it at the location where it tends to drop people. Someone was bound to come along and pick it up—and get an awful surprise. The bus ticket would remain in essentially the same place until someone figured out that they had to pick it up without touching it. Eddie would have been gone for at least an hour while his suitcase was left standing out on the road. Someone from town might have picked it up. That could explain how the objects got introduced to the immediate environment of the collectors. Whoever found it may have turned it into the police or some other local institution. If the owner of the suitcase—a person who could not possibly be identified—never turned up, the items in the case might have been donated or sold on auction. That could explain how they got distributed. The really big question is how the people who became the collectors realized there were several objects and many of them had special properties. If the key had been left at the office, Conroy was certain to have experimented with it. After all, what door did the key to room 10 open? She would immediately have discovered that it could do something incredible. News of the bus ticket would have spread around town fairly quickly, so there were two objects that were identified. Conroy was pretty intelligent, so she might have guessed that the ticket and the key were connected. If other strange stories turned up, she might have been right on it. She might have gone to the people who reported these things and asked if she could buy the objects or at least look at them. If she had the key, she would have no difficulty absconding with them. The more objects she gathered, the more options she would have. She probably showed these things to Gus, and that was the beginning of the collectors. Conroy would have had incredible powers by this time. Keep in mind that the objects were mostly together in her possession. She might have acquired telepathy and other powers she was not even aware of. We know that the objects tend to drive people insane and make them very compulsive. All of this together could explain why Conroy thought she knew what to do with the objects and invented the Conroy experiment. Now, what happened to Eddie when he realized things were amiss? Maybe he walked back to the bus stop and discovered that his suitcase was gone. Then he walked into town and tried to find it. There is no reason why the person who found the suitcase would have turned it in right away, so there may have been no clue to its whereabouts. Eddie probably left information at the local police station and went on his way. He apparently had some money in his pocket, so he may have gotten something to eat (very speculative) and bought another ticket to Willowbrook. That would have taken him to Mabel where he would have first realized his identity had been erased. After he knew his identity had been erased, he might have taken quite a while getting back to his suitcase. He had no job, no home, no identity, and very little money. He may not have had any practical way to get back to New Mexico. Nor would it necessarily have immediately occurred to him that it would be of any help to find his lost suitcase with its contents. Since he would have given the Gallup authorities a bogus phone number, there was no way for them to contact him immediately. By the time they sent a letter to his address he might have gone to see Mabel and already have been on his way. Mabel might have simply discarded the letter. This left plenty of time for the objects to be distributed. The rest is history. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:05:13 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p830,from=rss#post830https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p830,from=rss#post830Jeez... the electrons aren't even cold and I'm already thinking up new stuff... Eddie had a Glass Eye. There was a Pair of Glasses that probably didn't belong to Eddie. Why was Eddie in a remote motel in Gallup, New Mexico (just over the border from his home state) with someone else's glasses? Granted, the could have been left behind by the previous motel guest... they didn't seem to affect Ruber's vision, so the simple explaination is they weren't very strong... but still, this seems to point to something significant.nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:56:30 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p827,from=rss#post827https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p827,from=rss#post827First, Paul: If he wasn't a traveling salesman (no known sample cases or advertising paraphernalia to support the idea, certainly) then there's still buckets or possibilities why he was traveling-- Maybe he was on a business trip, or on his way to/from a job interview, maybe he was going to a convention of some kind (it would amuse me no end to learn he was a fanboy, but his being a Shriner or a Rabbi or something seems far more likely), or maybe he was having marital problems with Mabel and was travelling Route 66 in an effort to "find himself". That last one seems the most depressing, since he ended up loosing himself literally beyond measure. Now, Spikosauropod: The main reason I'm against the "Evil Alien" idea is, I admit, meta-thinking: It's just been done so many times before. Star Trek's done it, Superman's done it, Dr. Who has done it, I can name a dozen anime with that plot just off the top of my head... In Dave Land I'd really rather it be something less malignant in intention, though destructive in practical fact. Two such possibilties throw a wrench in your "Gun" concept, though it can still be adapted: First, a weakness in Time/Space analogous to a worn spot on a tire, the universal "patch kit" smeared Time/Space over the spot, stabilizing the weakness but trapping the Room inside like an air bubble. Normal wear and tear won't threaten the seal but poking at it (e. g., the Conroy experiment) will cause trouble. Second, a Time/Space consuming life form (Not so much Galactus as Langoliers made a wrong turn and started munching on fresh Time/Space by mistake. This maybe happens fairly often (Socks in the dryer, pens and pencils, government documents) but in the case of the Room, too much damage was done for it not to be noticed. No malevoulence involved, Our Critter is just being a happy worm breaking up soil, doing what comes naturally... he just chose the wrong place to do it and ended up going splat. While the "Gun" idea doesn't work in the sense of "something projected at high velocity and exploding on contact with the target", it could be something like the Patch Kit I mentioned before, something that moistened the surrounding area and allowed for remolding to create a new stable surface, or maybe a metaphorical kind of acid that was intended to "neutralize" the Critter but for some bizarre reason instead of melting, it went Splat and corrupted the contens of the Room, creating the Objects. Another idea I had supports multiple dimensions: The Objects are currently in Earth 1, before the Event they were in Earth 2. Maybe somewhere on, like, Earth 14, there was an experiment in interdimensional travel on the counterpart coordinates to that exact spot that had an accident, sending out shockwaves sideways across Time/Space. All kinds of wacky effects could result, but all we see is what happened to Room 10. Again, Earth 14 wasn't trying to be malicious, they might not even be aware anything happened... but it got done just the same. How The Objects Left The Room: I don't think we have a fully formed school of thought on this. My thinking is, Eddie left the room without realising (or understanding-- a subtle but important difference) what had happened and went about his business; spending money, tossing away wrappers and used containers, until he slowly began to feel the weight of non-existance. He probably went insane during this period, abandoning his suitcase(s) (full of Objects), and maybe even discarding his clothes in favor of something less conspicuous until finally getting arrested for disturbing the peace and getting tossed in the asylum. (I hate to think it, but he must have been so repulsed by his Glass Eye, psychologically or Object-wise, that he pulled out to get rid of it... that's both an "Ouch" and an "Ew".) Meanwhile the Key is found and played with (who wouldn't?) and Objects Eddie left behind get picked up for whatever reason ("Ooo, I can use a new clock, no one will mind... Hey! My trombone just evaporated! Aaah!") and leave the Room over time. The Driver's License probably does exist (along with credit cards, small photos, pocket lint, reciepts and what-all else might be in his wallet at the time) but probably has dormant powers and never made itself known. It's probably sealed in a police store room tagged as personal effects and long forgotten. On the other hand, he had a Bus Ticket... why bother with a driver's license if you're not going to drive? Yowza... I think too much, I think... nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:20:51 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p823,from=rss#post823https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p823,from=rss#post823I want to work a bit with the malignancy theory. Suppose there was something wrong with that bit of space. For some reason, the idea that a malevolent and very powerful being had gotten into the room makes sense. If there was a sort of time/inter-dimensional “gun” that could shoot such a being from across space and time, it might be said to “explode” the being. However, this explosion would not be like one we are familiar with. The thing it targets would not explode through the surrounding territory, but into it. Perhaps it exploded into the surrounding objects in and around the room and carried them with it across a small volume of space. This could explain the objects powers and how they got away from their original location. The “electricity” Eddie described could actually be the essence of this being. Of course, the being would want to put itself back together, which could explain why the objects are trying to get back together. We have good reason to believe the objects are malevolent, which justifies the idea that the being is malevolent and also explains why someone or something would want to destroy it. The “event” might be one casualty in a war that is taking place across the entire space/time continuum. Or it might be an imperfect healing process in biological system that stretches across the same continuum. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:10:07 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p822,from=rss#post822https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p822,from=rss#post822Yeah scratch that. If that was the case all of the Objects should be in the room, not the few that the Conroy's found. I still like the idea that Eddie came from a parallel world where he had a wife and where room 10 existed better than his existance was just blinked out of this one. Having said that, the blinking out theory works better as it explains the disappearance of all of his IDs. Driver's license, business cards, etc. So he wakes up, exits room 10 through the door of room 9 not realzing something happened, drops the key at the desk and heads for home. The Conroy's find the key to the non-existent room and we all know what happens next. I think it's key to explore what Eddie was doing when he checked into the motel. In a discussion I once had with Christopher, I asked him if Eddie was a traveling salesman. His response was "Eddie was traveling." Which implies that he was not a salesman. So where was he traveling from and to, and why?nondisclosed_email@example.com (paulv70)Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:06:33 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p804,from=rss#post804https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p804,from=rss#post804Ah. Ok. All righty, we can work with that... playing Devil's Advocate, why would Our Eddie get seperated from the room? The Room itself seems to still me grounded in it's original (so to speak) space, as edvidenced by the Polaroid... wandering around where room 10 should be lets you see it as it was prior to the Event. (That must have been a fun scene to shoot... and by "fun" I mean the hardest thing on the entire production.) If he was seperated, why wasn't everything seperated (the TV, the bed, the closet door, the plaster on the walls, the nails holding the ceiling tiles up, and so on and so on and so forth)?nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:23:09 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p799,from=rss#post799https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p799,from=rss#post799Guy's in an underground bunker when it explodes. He wakes up outside, naked with no idea how he got there and with a strange power.nondisclosed_email@example.com (paulv70)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:05:12 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p798,from=rss#post798https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p798,from=rss#post798Uh... That reference I don't get... (Haven't seen Lost... O_O)nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:54:58 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p791,from=rss#post791https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p791,from=rss#post791Something else I considered was that Eddie did a "Desmond" (from LOST when the hatch blew) The event takes place and Eddie finds himself outside of the Motel, (maybe at the spot the bus ticket drops you at) naked, without any of his effects including his glass eye. He's disoriented and stumbles along til he finds clothes, etc., makes his way home and gets the news that he never existed.nondisclosed_email@example.com (paulv70)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:46:51 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p788,from=rss#post788https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p788,from=rss#post788Good questions... In my mind, Eddie was having a "It's a Wonderful Life" experience without a Clarence and without the chance to go home. Once he realised he didn't "exist" and likely to remain that way, I figure in a fit of insanity he probably got rid of everything he had on him, maybe by tossing it in the river or down the nearest sewer-- meaning they'd probably still be there, but without a functional "Object Detector" (I'm imagining a P.K.E. meter a la Ghostbusters ^_^) there'd be no way to find them. Just 'cause it isn't there doesn't mean it isn't there. ^_~ As for his apparent knowledge of the Room and the Objects and all: He did say that he was thinking MUCH more clearly once he came back into the room. If Eddie wasn't the Prime Object, then the Room itself probably was. Personally I think killing Eddie was a big mistake, as far as the mystery of the Room goes. Since he was the only witness, we'll never be able to figure out what happened. Sure, when asked "What happened?" Eddie answered truthfully "I don't know". Obviously, this was the wrong question. He should have been asked, "What do you remember?" To which he could have replied something along the lines of "It was early afternoon, I'd just come back to my room from lunch and was debating on whether to watch TV or call my wife, when the most extraordinary thing happened dot dot dot". An Alternate Universe, you say? Intriguing... and quite plausable. Of course brings the questions "What destroyed that universe?" and "Why should the Room et al attach to this universe instead of one closer to 'home', where Eddie still did exist?" Hmmm... maybe it couldn't work with ANY mulitples... extra stuff in a universe may not raise an alarm as much as duplicated stuff. I dunno... an alternate universe makes sense, but the fact that Mabel never married and always felt a little odd about that makes me lean to "Plucked out of History/Destiny".nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:27:53 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p774,from=rss#post774https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p774,from=rss#post774I've always assumed that Eddie came from a parallel universe where he was married to Mabel. He's traveling when he checks into the Sunshine Motel. He emerges from room 9 unaware that the Event has occured, drops the key at the desk and heads home to find Mabel doesn't know him anymore and his entire life has been erased. (Because in this world he was never born) He also begins to notice the items he's carrying are beginning to do some bizarre things and begins to discard them. Eventually the cops pick him up and take him to the sanitarium where over time he becomes aware of the electricity of the Objects and develops the ability to repel them like magnets. 20 years go by and he has time to consider what's happened. This of course assumes that Eddie's prescence was just an unfortunate accident, however there are factors that make me question that. Without ever having returned to the room (presumably) he seems to have a pretty good understanding of the rules. He knows the term "Objects" and that they can't be destroyed except in the room. He also knows about the conservation of Objects theory. That part could be explained as him lying to get Joe to kill him but how would he know that Joe could in the room? The other strange thing about Eddie (and this could just be an oversite on the writer's part (forgive me Chris)) is that he's traveling with a suitcase filled with an iron, shoepolish, a comb, toothbrush, nail file, pictures, umbrella, etc. but just the clothes on his back. What if Eddie's universe was destroyed with only the interior of room 10 left in a kind of limbo state with a gateway into our universe?nondisclosed_email@example.com (paulv70)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:40:29 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p773,from=rss#post773https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p773,from=rss#post773Well, it's hard to imagine any other reason for that big a chunk of reality to get pulled OUT of Time/Space. The whole "God Died" thing doesn't really click with me... A god, maybe, but not The God. And even if He did, why in a motel in Gallup? ....On second thought, don't answer that... nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:53:10 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p772,from=rss#post772https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p772,from=rss#post772I think you will get trouted for suppressing your theories rather than disclosing them especially in consdieration we seem to be the only group of Collectors on the entire Net. nondisclosed_email@example.com (ttevolla)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:37:34 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p769,from=rss#post769https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p769,from=rss#post769I like all of it. You are obviously a genuine science fiction buff. I really like the idea that the event was a natural healing process intended to remove a malignancy. Maybe events like this take place every day and we just are not aware of them because nothing goes wrong. Sooner or later, something is bound to go wrong, and the thing that went wrong this time was that a sentient being was present. The model of a cyst is compelling. Usually they seal up and are either expelled or go away but sometimes they infect the surrounding tissue. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:41:52 +0000 Re: The Eventhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p766,from=rss#post766https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p766,from=rss#post766OK... Had some coffee, let's see what my brain can come up with: Theory: An Entity, similar in nature to the Shadows from Babylon 5, created the Objects and pulled the Motel Room out of time for the purpose of creating a Mystery, having recognized that so long as there are Questions, people will seek Answers-- and do some pretty wild things in pursuit of that information, ultimately making them stronger or destroying them. In this way, it's kind of a teaching "practical joke" on humanity. (I say Shadows rather than the Vorlons, since the Objects do little beyond create chaos in their wake, and by the nature of their powers defy the natural order of the Universe at large.) Theory: "Sometimes the Universe finds enigmatic ways to heal itself." Larry Marder, Tales of the Beanworld First thing we need to figure out is WHY the Room was pulled out of Time. Since (as far as we know) this kind of thing doesn't happen willy-nilly, it seems logical to presume that it was a reaction to something, something that didn't belong and needed to be removed. There was a British TV show back in the late Seventies/early Eighties that was super awesome and very nearly totally forgotten called "Sapphire and Steel". (Be cautious when researching the show, the titles given to the episodes by fans contain spoilers.) The titular characters, played by Joanna Lumley and David McCallum respectively, were kind of a response to weaknesses in the Time/Space fabric, along with a slew of others including Lead, Mercury, Silver, etc. (Yes, there is a pattern.) They would handle cases exactly like the Lost Room, either by negating the threat or by sealing it off so it wasn't capable of damaging Time/Space any further. That's exactly what I think happened here: Something was causing damage to the normal world, and a kind of 'cyst' was created to protect everything from the Threat. Eddie McCleister was an unfortunate casualty of this by simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The properties held by the Objects could be a kind of contamination by the Threat, perhaps physics works differently where ever the Threat comes from (this would certainly count as a Threat of and by itself) and the Objects were never meant to leave-- but because the Occupant was still alive (maybe he wasn't supposed to be) and managed to leave the Room, the Contamination spread anyway. The obvious hole in this: if the Event was intentional in this way, why hasn't anyone come to try and fix the problem? I dunno. Getting into wilder territory, maybe it's up to humanity's Free Will at this point. If we choose to use it for Good, or Evil or just Stupid, the ball is in our court. Maybe the Conroy Experiment(s) wasn't enough to trip the alarms. Maybe no one's called Tech Support yet. The Second one is my more favorite theory, it seems to make more sense for the Event to be a reaction to something dangerous and didn't quite seal itself properly. Actually I have an idea about the Conroy Experiment, too: Is it my imagination or is every time the Room is opened it's with a right-handed door? Knob on the right, hinged on the left and swinging in? The door used in the Conroy Experiment (on room 9, presumably a mirror image of room 10... and probably rooms 8, 6, 4, etc.) was left-handed, with the knob on the left. They were going the wrong way. nondisclosed_email@example.com (DaveIII)Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:03:55 +0000