The Key https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/t859 Runboard| The Key en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 04:53:26 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 04:53:26 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p23028,from=rss#post23028https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p23028,from=rss#post23028@Jintosh Hi. I sent you a PM. I'm not sure if it works. Anyway, do you still sell the The Lost Room Key? If so, how much would it cost including shipping to the Philippines by USPS First Class Mail International / First Class Package International Service ? Thanks. nondisclosed_email@example.com (homelancer)Fri, 04 May 2018 08:38:26 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p22594,from=rss#post22594https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p22594,from=rss#post22594Hi everyone, I recently started the search for my next object and even though the key seems to be a tough one I've searched for the 2 specific keys used on the show and got lucky and found these two. I'm sure that they're not the correct versions from the show but I think they are pretty close and I'll be happy if I can make a key from them. I'd love to get your feedback on what you would do in my situation. My first thought is to try and do one of Cattrina's instructions from this post: link to post I don't have the option of doing the cutting or soldering myself and I'm not sure what kind of business to approach to get the cutting and soldering done, is it a metal working kind of place? Any thoughts on what I should do would be great. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Maus)Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:59:11 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21671,from=rss#post21671https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21671,from=rss#post21671 Indeed. Worth a shot. Take a picture of Chuck's key so they know what to look for. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Jintosh)Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:48:39 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21670,from=rss#post21670https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21670,from=rss#post21670It's worth a shot asking. The shop has a giant wall of keys from a large amount of companies ranging from the 1920s to today, including those old keys that we don't use anymore because they are super insecure like the one used by the order to open the door to the red room with the objects.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Vintage Fenrir)Fri, 26 Apr 2013 03:52:30 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21669,from=rss#post21669https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21669,from=rss#post21669quote:Also, Jintosh, were you still looking for the Niessen 612A to perfect your sold replicas? Ultimately, my Prop Key Replica is good as is. It is a single cast replica. Meaning ONE PIECE. A true replica would be if the Collector braised a Niessen 612A to Schlage key shaft and the result was two keys stuck together. Most people would not go to this length to get a prop replica. I would just like to offer a Niessen 612A in case someone WANTS to do that. And just having a 612A key would be cool. Niessen has been out of business for decades....going to a key shop will not produce results. Unfortunately. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Jintosh)Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:17:28 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21668,from=rss#post21668https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p21668,from=rss#post21668Wait, Niessen 612A? Oops... I went to my local locksmith shop asking for an Ilco 612A. When they couldn't find it in stock, they said they would spend some time to research it and call me back when they had found something... I need to call them and tell them the mistake. Also, Jintosh, were you still looking for the Niessen 612A to perfect your sold replicas?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Vintage Fenrir)Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:28:36 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p20495,from=rss#post20495https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p20495,from=rss#post20495Here is some information I have found on the Schlage "blade" part of The Key, hope it helps some people out: Old A series (type where you had to dismantle whole thing to get at cylinder) used this as alternative to pin tumbler. Discontinued some years ago. Cylinder has 8 wafers and uses three types of wafer. There are two different types of plug. Key is double sided and has an end cut on one side or the other. The end wafer is called a 'master' wafer ad is retracted by the uncut end of the key. The opening is restricted so a blank cannot be fully inserted. Schlage produced two differet blanks with the end pre-cut. The wafer can only be inserted one way, hence the two different plug types. Apart from the end cut, there are 4 other cuts (3 in older models - pre mid 1950's) never opposite each other. This gave 640 differs for each end cut position - 1280 in all. 'Combination' wafers which coud be inserted either way were placed were placed where the cuts were and only restrained the plug in the absence of a cut. 'Series' wafers were placed in the other 3 positions. These normally restrained the plug unless retracted by a blank portion of the key. The 'series' wafers could be inserted one way only (the opposite way compared with the 'master' wafer). The cylinder can be masterkeyed by making a masterkey which had cuts opposite each other. It could have 4 pairs of cuts (16 differs) 5 pairs of cuts (80 differs) or 6 pairs of cuts (240 differs). In the latter 2 cases 1 or 2 'series' wafers has to be omitted. All three series wafers could be omitted in theory but that was against policy. Finally a masterkey could be made to control 480 locks by using a 'series' wafer in the final position and with the masterkey uncut in the end position. Disadvantages were limited number of masterkey differs and the ease at which a masterkey can be made from any key from the installation (or indeed from a stray key with the correct end cut and no cuts 'under' the series wafers. Meaning of number stamped on key; 1st digit 1 or 2 - position of 'master' wafer cut (3 or 4 if 'series' wafer used) 2nd digit 0 (or position of series wafer for masterkeyed locs) 3rd - 6th digits - positions of 4 cuts numbered off as 1/2 3/4 5/6 7/8 9/0 1/2 3/4 eg 101523 Sounds like you've got an old Schlage wafer lock. I think they used SC-6 or SC-22 blanks (Curtis or EZ numbers). They come apart from the back. If memory serves, there will be four cuts plus the "master cut" on the end. It's a binary 1 or 0 thing, there is a cut or not a cut. I've worked on a few of them twenty or so years ago. The course I took from Locksmith Institute had a lesson on them. I may still have the old course materials, in storage. Worth noting, In the 25 years I've been in the trade, I've seen Schlage wafer locks maybe four or five times. And usually those were ones I was replacing and put in Kwikset. So, these are not common. Please check if the lock comes with a springlatch (most did) or a deadlatch. The latches are probably interchangable with the modern Schlage A series latches.  nondisclosed_email@example.com (whatchitfoool)Sat, 05 May 2012 16:21:57 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p19736,from=rss#post19736https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p19736,from=rss#post19736Tom's background information about the Niessen keysnondisclosed_email@example.com (Cattrina)Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:36:51 +0000 To make a hybrid keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17508,from=rss#post17508https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p17508,from=rss#post17508The Hard & Durable Way You need: 1. a brass niessen 612A key (or key blank) 2. a brass Schlage Wafer key (or key blank) 3. flux agent for copper welding and copper wire or welding rod (agent inbuilt) for copper/brass 4. gas weld torch or similar 5. fireproof working area 6. good airing (fluxing agent is harmful) 7. metal saw or good pliers How to: 1. cut the both keys into head and blade parts 2. smooth the cut edges and roughen them 3. lay the key parts on level surface, preferrably on stone material (or thick cheramic), but metal plate (iron) works too 4. 'paint' over the key pieces to make them heat up, be careful not to melt them 5. if the pieces are hot enough the copper wire dipped in flux agent, or the welding rod will melt nicely just by touching the little gap between the key parts 6. use the torch to cut the welding rod and even out the seam 7. let it cool down in peace 8. use knife, sand paper, whatever handy to clean up the seam HINT: keep the parts heated during the welding HINT: you can use painter's tape to keep the pieces in place NOTE: brass keys are usually coated with lacquer, so you must sand all sides around the seam to make cohesion surface now we have a BRASS hybrid, which is discolored because of the heat. we have three options to make it look silvery 1. spray paint it 2. tin it 3. electrocoat it whatever method you use, remember to wash the key with dish-soap beforehand. Cool & Fragile Way You need: 1. a brass niessen 612A key (or key blank) 2. a brass Schlage Wafer key (or key blank) 3. soldering iron & soldering tin rods & flux agent 4. thin copper wire 5. pliers or metal saw How to: 1. same as above, cut the keys in half 2. assemble the key parts in position 3. cut a few little strips of copper wire and make a 'bridge' between the two pieces 4. use any method to heat the key parts 5. wet the key parts with flux agent 6. let the tin melt and cover the key and copper wire 7. when all parts are covered, use the soldering iron to smooth the tin HINT: keep the parts heated during the soldering HINT: you can use painter's tape to keep the pieces in place NOTE: brass keys are usually coated with lacquer, so you must sand all sides around the seam to make cohesion surface Fake Approximate You need: 1. a brass niessen 612A key (or key blank) 2. a brass Schlage Wafer key (or key blank) 3. clay 4. a stove and old pan 5. tin & fluxing agent or soldering tin 6. copper wire How to: 1. you do not necessarily need to cut the keys in two pieces 2. use the two keys to make an impression on the clay 3. cut a few pieces of the copper wire or make a sweet key-shaped frame out of it. You should at least support the key fob hole 4. melt the tin in the old pan on your stove 5. pour first layer of the tin in the mold 6. apply (fast!) the copper wire pieces in the melt tin 7. pour more tin to cover the wire 8. let it cool down in peace 9. use whatever tool you got to clean up the key and possibly fix the look nondisclosed_email@example.com (Cattrina)Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:40:23 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16123,from=rss#post16123https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16123,from=rss#post16123Mr Liver, Do you still have that 611R key ? I would very much like to use it or buy it.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Jintosh)Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:19:04 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16122,from=rss#post16122https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16122,from=rss#post16122By the gold in the letters and Sun on the Fob. Also I think the key shown at the VERY end is different, because most of the sun still has gold in it. Haven't checked the key that they show in the opening credits yet though.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:37:31 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16120,from=rss#post16120https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16120,from=rss#post16120How do you know they are different? The stain is a little different, but that may have happened later.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Sat, 03 Jul 2010 01:03:23 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16115,from=rss#post16115https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p16115,from=rss#post16115How Many Keys were made?! Did anybody Realize that Chris's key and the Inventory key are different? Hard to believe that they found TWO 612A's.... Unless they were already there for prop use. Who knows...nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:41:31 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p13180,from=rss#post13180https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p13180,from=rss#post13180quote:jbange wrote: Just finished watching the series on DVD, and being a locksmith, I INSTANTLY recognized the blade of the key as a Schlage Wafer Key, despite the non-matching head. The head of the key is indeed welded on to the blade of a different kind of key. The blade matches the knob locks at the Motel, which were Schlage wafer locks. The 1307W wafer key blank does not have a very interesting head. This is probably why they made that "hybrid" key--- the Niessen key head is a LOT more old timey looking. The Schlage wafer key head? Those old wafer locks are so ridiculously durable there are probably THOUSANDS of people with a 1307W key in their pockets still. VERY boring key. Google "Schlage 1307W" or "Schlage SC22" to find pics of the key blank the blade was taken from. Thank you nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:50:35 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p13178,from=rss#post13178https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p13178,from=rss#post13178Just finished watching the series on DVD, and being a locksmith, I INSTANTLY recognized the blade of the key as a Schlage Wafer Key, despite the non-matching head. The head of the key is indeed welded on to the blade of a different kind of key. The blade matches the knob locks at the Motel, which were Schlage wafer locks. The 1307W wafer key blank does not have a very interesting head. This is probably why they made that "hybrid" key--- the Niessen key head is a LOT more old timey looking. The Schlage wafer key head? Those old wafer locks are so ridiculously durable there are probably THOUSANDS of people with a 1307W key in their pockets still. VERY boring key. Google "Schlage 1307W" or "Schlage SC22" to find pics of the key blank the blade was taken from.nondisclosed_email@example.com (jbange)Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:30:48 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p12211,from=rss#post12211https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p12211,from=rss#post12211Ok, just posting. Just incase.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:43:03 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p12203,from=rss#post12203https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p12203,from=rss#post12203It’s a good key and a good picture. However, I can’t use it in the catalogue because it doesn’t substantiate our case. I need pictures that verify our information specifically about 612A’s. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:14:23 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p12202,from=rss#post12202https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p12202,from=rss#post12202Here Spike, I know you wanted a picture of my key, but I have to say my key is a 611R. I didn't know that they made those kind, just the 610, 611, 612, and 612A. But here you go. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:46:22 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10131,from=rss#post10131https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10131,from=rss#post10131quote:Mr liver wrote: Has he posted a picture? Nevertheless, I have modified the description to reflect your concern. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:26:37 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10126,from=rss#post10126https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10126,from=rss#post10126Has he posted a picture?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:56:19 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10124,from=rss#post10124https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10124,from=rss#post10124Trekclassic found one. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:48:52 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10123,from=rss#post10123https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10123,from=rss#post10123Treckclassic found one, or are you just saying he's going to make one? And I always saw several as 3 to 6 but what it really means is more than 2 but not many. You don't have to change it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:46:06 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10120,from=rss#post10120https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10120,from=rss#post10120quote:Mr liver wrote: Several Niessen 612A keys have been found? Where was I when this happed? Chuckles, trekclassic, and yourself. Also, the diagram Chuckles posted makes it pretty clear what the specifications of the 612A are. We could pick the knit, but the consensus is clear. If you prefer, I will say that “three” Niessen 612A’s and a diagram have been found.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:50:10 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10119,from=rss#post10119https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p10119,from=rss#post10119Several Niessen 612A keys have been found? Where was I when this happed?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Mr liver)Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:11:36 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9889,from=rss#post9889https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9889,from=rss#post9889ya i figured that was what you were doing i am glad to see you working on this im still putting togeather the comic con webpage and stuff. but very glad to see you got this down. Kepp up the great work !!!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ghinius Sahalin)Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:05:10 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9886,from=rss#post9886https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9886,from=rss#post9886I plan on adding the complete argument for how we know the key is a hybrid. Incidentally, G, this catalogue I am making is not a replacement for the other one we are working on. I see this as a dry run to write descriptions, assemble ideas, and work out kinks so that we can breeze right through the other. The real catalogue will be easy after we have a working model.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:23:05 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9875,from=rss#post9875https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9875,from=rss#post9875Well i think they did but the key didn't fit in the hole so they modified it instead of grabbing another key nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ghinius Sahalin)Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:28:48 +0000 Re: The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9869,from=rss#post9869https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9869,from=rss#post9869never would have figured a hybrid. a bit extensive for such a simple object. i'd have just gone to a key rack, and picked up a $1 vintage looking one, and been done, LOL props to the Prop master... hahanondisclosed_email@example.com (markanthonyramsay)Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:14:48 +0000 The Keyhttps://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9847,from=rss#post9847https://bthecollectors.runboard.com/p9847,from=rss#post9847The Key classification: paulian (behind the scenes image provided by Jess) The following are photographs of one of the actual key props used in the miniseries. They were obtained directly from Christopher Leone and Laura Harkcom by a member of the collectors, Ghinius Sahalin. According to Christopher Leone, several key props were used in the miniseries. However, analysis of screen caps reveals no significant deviation from this sample: Click on images for more detail: The key is seen throughout the miniseries and is the pivotal object. It can open any pin tumbler lock, giving immediate access to room 10 of the Sunshine Motel. With the key in one’s possession, the door of room 10 can be opened to any door in the world. The key consists of three parts. The first part is a typical hot stamped key fob. It is burgundy colored with yellow print. The print includes the Sunshine Motel logo with the word "MOTEL", followed by the designation “ROOM 10”. The second part is a primitive brass key ring, crimped closed to secure the key and the fob. The third part is a dull silver colored door key. The key is apparently a hybrid created by attaching the bow of a brass colored Niessen 612A to the blade of a Schlage 1307W or Schlage SC22. Both parts have been coated to give them a uniform silver color. Christopher Leone, one of the shows three writers, has said that he does not believe the key was created in this manner. However, the physical evidence is overwhelming. The seam where the two parts are joined is clearly visible. A Niessen 612A key as well as a diagram of a Niessen 612A key have been found. The found key is brass and has a different style of blade than the key in the show. The diagram has the same style of blade as the key that has been found. Another key is known to be in the possession of trekclassic that’s image is not available. However, he has reported that it requires a different blade in order to be like the key in the miniseries. Finally, a member of The Collectors, jbange, who is an actual locksmith, has confirmed that the key was made by welding the blade of a Schlage wafer key to the bow a Niessen. Niessen 612A: (collection of Chucklbunny) Useful eBay search terms: niessen key The key fob and a suitable ring can be obtained from trekclassic, who occasionally sells them on eBay. To obtain the key, you can substitute a similar vintage key or attempt to make one by repeating the steps of the original prop makers. Niessen 612A keys show up on eBay about every 3 months. Trekclassic has announced that he intends to create an accurate facsimile of the key. Collectors worldwide anxiously await the unveiling of this new production.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Spikosauropod)Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:37:00 +0000