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Contempt for Mortality


Something I have noticed in passing but never before pursued is the way characters in TLR test items to determine if they are objects. They invariably attempt to destroy them. When Jennifer Bloom tests the radios, she smashes them with a sledge hammer. When Kreutzfeld tests the book, he rips out a page. Yet, all of these items could have been tested simply by making a scratch or plucking out a small bit of fiber. Jennifer Bloom, an otherwise levelheaded and caring person, destroys several vintage radios just to determine that one of them is an object. Karl Kreutzfeld, a sensible business man, destroys a priceless first edition. Possibly, the reason why this particular volume was chosen for the part was to draw attention to this behavior.

It seems that exposure to objects causes people to become contemptuous of ordinary vintage collectibles. It is as if exposure to immortality lowers their valuation of anything that is not immortal.

This attitude seems to carry over to their view of themselves. When Harold Stritzke and Zoraida say, “It’s all that I have,” what they are actually saying is, “It’s all that I am.” Their implication is that the objects are immortal and their bodies are not, so the objects are the only part of them that matters. This is why they become neglectful of their bodies and their lives. Their bodies and their lives are ephemeral, and therefore unimportant.

At first, it may seem unreasonable that such a small external change would cause such extreme behavior. This is the same question raised in The Invisible Man starring Kevin Bacon. When he can no longer see himself, he loses all semblance of accountability. In his own words, “You’d be amazed at what you can do when you don’t have to look yourself in the mirror.” There is good evidence that we are much more dependent on our environment for queues to correct behavior than is generally assumed. It may actually be that an ordinary and otherwise healthy person would completely divorce themselves from ordinary experience if placed in the presence of an immortal object.


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well thought out and interesting

so I should get rid of the fruitcake then? emoticon

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So you’re the one who has the fruitcake! I thought it hadn’t come around for a while.

Yes, yes, you must put it back into circulation! No one should hold onto the fruitcake! You can only save yourself by regifting!
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this whole thing is actually a very normal response, I think. for allot of people it happens with computers and the Internet.

To note, in the series you run into allot of fanatics, none of the people who know about it but don't allow their lives to be run by it. they wouldn't be of much help anyways.
and when you find someone who's addicted to the Internet, they will neglect their own bodies just to keep doing whatever their doing (video games, information surfing, chatting)

the Internet is something that's not bound by physical rules, aside from servers, so it is something very different from anything we witness in real life.
the object aren't bound by the rules of physics in actual real life, so this is where my analogy of the Internet is like the objects comes in.

these people who are prone to this sort of addiction have found a way to escape their every day restraints, to be more then who they usually see themselves as. and when that happens nothing but this tool means anything to them. because without it, they're only themselves again.
though in Kreutzfelds case, I think he's blinded from societies claim to meaning in rare items because his sons life means more then that.

that's my theory, based on my knowledge of psychology.
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quote:

the Internet is something that's not bound by physical rules, aside from servers, so it is something very different from anything we witness in real life.


I was actually hoping to find a real-life metaphor and it appears that you have struck pay dirt. When Mario 64 came out (big deal right) I became quite obsessed. But the internet is infinitely bigger and more dynamic. Hence, the over-worn joke about “getting to the end of the internet”. I never realized before how ironic that is. What an insult to God!

Some of us live for the internet life. Yet, from the perspective of a dog (or possibly even a computer illiterate person) we are merely whiling away our lives with our hands and faces glued to these boxes. They can’t see that we are looking right into infinity. I barely have meaningful conversations with the people in my immediate environment—what do they know of objects and collecting! I’m no where near Wally or Zoraida, but it wouldn’t be a big leap. How often the answer is literally at your fingertips.
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I am not addicted
I stopped surfing that time the internet broke
and I can do it again
it's a twelve step program
12 steps from my chair to the liquor cabinet. emoticon
so what if it is 2am and I'm on the net
2am is when I get good quality time with the net. emoticon

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quote:

2am is when I get good quality time with the net.


I got into this discussion with an English professor. He said that for him the Internet is a love/hate relationship. His complaint was that he gets online and gets hooked, then realizes he has “wasted” two hours of his time.

I explained to him that I just can’t get to the “hate” part. For me, that is two hours spent with the thing I love.
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I would stop going on the internet
if there was another one. I finished the internet
last year I'm just reading it again to refresh my memory

http://www.endoftheinternet.com/

there is no signal at the laundromat
so I downloaded the internet so I could
keep reading. emoticon
if anyone wants a copy
just send me a big enough disc and I'll
copy and send it to you for free

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I got my copy of torrent.
and who needs discs. i keep my copy on a series of tubes in the back of my truck.

this conversation has evolved quite dynamically.
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…but getting back to the main point. When Wally first encounters Joe, he says something that I have always considered very telling: “Sometimes you forget to be human.” At the time he says it, he thinks he is talking to another veteran object keeper. I have always had trouble putting that quote into context, but it makes total sense when you recognize the over identification with objects. Object keepers do not see themselves as having an object; they see themselves as becoming the object. Its power is their power.

So this leaves me trying to find a parallel behavior among internet users. It is clear from countless examples that avid internet users consider nonusers to be essentially “Blind”. Even my eighty-two year old mother, who I have to bail out whenever an inexplicable popup displays on her desktop, comments on how our computerless neighbor friends are “outside the loop”. When I try to imagine our neighbors’ non internet world, it seems dark and claustrophobic. I envision them talking on their phone and reading their newspaper as if they were roasting a boar over an open fire and sharing stories about the ancients. However, I realize why I am having difficulty finding the desired parallel. Computer users do not consider themselves a minority. They consider themselves to be normal while nonusers are merely backward. For an observation like Eddie’s to crop up, one would have to perceive oneself as part of an empowered minority.

The analogy is still relevant. It is clear from numerous cultural examples that a power seen as belonging to a minority is considered a privilege, while a power seen as belonging to a majority is considered essential. Being underprivileged and being overprivileged are relative terms, and a superpower is merely an extreme degree of overprivilege. The degree to which Internet users experience the internet as a relative overprivilege is demonstrated by their contempt for those who can not or will not access it. Relative to not having access to the internet, access is considered to be such an extreme overprivlege that it becomes a relative superpower. It is also clear that internet users consider the internet to be an extension of themselves. I consider myself to be a “Collector” and I have become accustomed to being called “Spikosauropod” or just “Spike”, but these terms would be meaningless if I could not get online.

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