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This is really interesting. I just re-watched the scene where Kreutzfeld tries to recreate the Conroy experiment. After he vanishes and Joe and Eddie enter the room, you see the Objects Kreutzfeld had nailed to the door in a cluster on the right side of the dresser. The clock in particular is definitly not where it should be, on the nightstand so they didn't reset. I watched the scene several times and they seem to stay there through Joe shooting Eddie and leaving the room.

When Joe uses the key on room 8 to go back into "our" room, they're gone.

This makes me think the room Joe and Eddie were in wasn't our room 10 but rather another version of it and those Objects are now lost.

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So maybe we are completely underestimating this thing. Maybe the producers had a concept they were building on and all these idiosyncrasies are clues to their original concept. I have been entertaining the idea that they just said, “Wouldn’t it be cool if…” and started making things happen. Maybe I am wrong.

I will have to completely re-watch the whole series with new eyes. emoticon

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Re: What happened to the Objects Kreutzfeld nailed to the door?


I wouldn't think that those object weres lost but reset when Joe left the room.

Here's a couple theories that I'll throw out for the sake of discussion.
Maybe the objects "sensed" that Joe was finished with them and disappeared when the room reset only to reappear later just like the key did at the end of the series.

Perhaps when Joe shot Eddie and took his place, the items that Joe had on his person became new objects replacing the clock, etc. Conservation of Objects? Maybe.

I guess that we'll never find out, unless The Lost Room does get picked up as a new series.

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I just went to a great deal of trouble to review those scenes frame by frame to see what you were talking about. Good observation, incidentally!

Here is my theory. It occurs to me that when the original event happened, all the objects were together. Whether or not they initiated the event, their juxtaposition was essential to it. Whenever a smaller number of objects are together they accompany a smaller modular event. When the Conroy objects are brought together and the door is opened, the event they initiate is a kind of imperfect hole into another space that the objects all pass through—along with anything else that happens to get sucked in. When they were first put on the door, they passed through the hole into the room. When the room was reset, they passed through the hole to somewhere else—perhaps out to the world.

Actually, that leads into a theory I am developing to account for the original event. Apparently what is conserved when an object is destroyed is not the object itself, but its associated properties. Possibly something was destroyed that had all the properties of the various objects. These properties may have made sense for the thing that was originally destroyed; but when it was destroyed, its properties went into surrounding objects in a somewhat haphazard fashion. Maybe those properties have been gradually disseminating into less and less probable objects every time one is destroyed until we end up with things like a pencil that produces pennies when tapped on a table. This lends credence to the Order of the Reunification’s claim that the objects were created when God, or something similar to our concept of God, was destroyed. If the properties were all originally associated with one object, it makes sense that the one object would have been quite dynamic.

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I also noticed the objects were on the side of the dresser after Kreutzfeld was (presumably, but unsafe assumption) sent into a Conroy rift.

My hypothesis is that the iteration of the room that the occupant is in is subject to limited subjective alterations to normal object placement. Things/people in other iterations of the room can be summoned to him, non-object items he has on him do not vanish, and items he has moved (including himself) do not auto-relocate during the reset.

IOW the unique power of the occupant (his force of will) can and does affect the placement and movement of the other Objects.

Therefore Joe's clothes do not vanish, he does not get teleported back to the same place he was in when he became an object, and an Object he has moved or is now holding does not get teleported across the room into its normally proper place.

I think Occam's razor favors this, as it can be largely extrapolated from what the Occupant did while in the sanitarium, and requires a minimum number of new principles in order to fit with existing facts.

As for where the Conroy objects + Quarter, Glass Eye, etc. went when Joe left and they were no longer on the dresser, I submit that Joe took them with him (in his pockets), to give them to the Legion. As a police officer, it would be strange that he would leave an item such as the Glass Eye (which can obliterate people instantly) anywhere that there was any nonzero chance it would be obtained and used again.
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I like it!

Once I get my various chores done for today, I will study this theory in detail.

Nice work sync!

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Re: What happened to the Objects Kreutzfeld nailed to the door?


Of course, it could just be a continuity error....

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