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I just don't get it.....I will never understand why TLR is so ignored by Sci-Fi even though they put so much into it.

They invested millions into TLR in both marketing and production and the DVD sales have for sure made them their money back but now it seems like they want to distance themselves from it for reasons I cannot comprehend.


I guess the formula at Sci-Fi is:

If it's a hit.....ignore it.
If it's a bomb.....force feed it to everyone as much as possible.


it's so fustrating I cannot even describe it.

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Yes and as we all know the channel is going down hill. Most of there reasons for not showing Sci-fi shows on Sci-fi is because the rating are not high. Now as someone said Ratings are out dated. A rating is only counted if someone watches it live and not Tivo it or even record it while watching it. So all the people who can't stay up until 3-6 AM to watch TLR are screwed if they record it. and those people are not counted in the rating.

The way i see it is that real Sci-Fi fans are geeks and nerds and will with out question have a Tivo Unit. And so all the Sci-Fi real fans are not counted in the ratings when a Sci-Fi show is shown. Now when more primitive people watch (people who mostly like UCW) they do not have Tivo or they do not record it because they want to see a fight live. so they are counted in mass.

I do not think the person picking what shows on Sci-Fi is right for the job and they should drop the title and become a regular station like G4 has done with Freaking TechTV. Or create a new station and revitalize The Sci-Fi Channel to be a Sci-Fi Channel.

I hope that petition gets some attention at Sci-Fi because i do not like what they have done. and if necessary i would do all i can to try to help make a Real Sci-Fi Channel Channel.

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We may never have any control over what the sci-fi channel shows. Since they ventured into the realm of 'reality shows' they have lost alot of fan favoritism. Shows like wrestling and reality shows have lost all taste to anyone with a decent IQ. And now that the new thing is game shows i doubt it will be long before sci-fi jumps on that boat. Which granted if it were a game show souly centered on science fiction most of us might like it but since you can't get a show out of the booth without some sort of ooooooo's and awes that make people look bad or simply retarded this might mark the increased speed of the downhill mometum that is currently the sci-fi channel.
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Thinking about the problem, it suddenly occurred to me that the real culprit may be the way the SciFi Channel contracts and budgets. It may be that they get significantly less revenue for a show after it has paid for itself. TLR probably paid for itself a long time ago, so they can’t make much money off of it even if it gets terrific ratings. Tin Man may never pay for itself, so they may have to shove it down people’s throats until it does. It would be too bad for everyone if this was true, but it seems like a real possibility.
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I agree. Not everything the sci-fi channel does is a winner. But to sellout on wrestling?
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I can’t explain ECW. But a similar thing seems to have happened on MTV. They used to specialize in music videos. You could turn to MTV and watch music videos all day long. Now, they almost never show music videos. They just have really dumb reality shows. It seems like a lot of these channels start with a mission and aren’t able to maintain it. Another example is Headline News. Their original mission was to have a constant stream of current news stories. Now, they are becoming like CNN.

The SciFi Channel was supposed to be a channel that specialized in every sort of science fiction. They didn’t want to change their name, so they changed the definition of science fiction. Stretching the definition to include professional wrestling was a landmark in the science of rationalization.

I remember when the SciFi Channel first started to advertise ECW. They made it sound like it was going to be an actualization of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome or Spawn. That was how they squeezed it through the science fiction door. I haven’t really watched ECW for a while, but it seems to have settled into plain old professional wrestling. Now that it is through the door, it has shed its science fiction pretense. Let’s face it: we live in the age of bovis fimus.

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Well The Lost Room was paid for a long while back. LionsGate is the producer of the show right. so Sci-Fi paid them for the show in full what it cost to produce. So its up to Sci-Fi to promote it and try to make money off of its showing of it. So that is why it has not done well. It is not up to loinsgate to promote the show, They would only do that if they where sure they would be the ones to make a new ones. (wish they wold but the deal is not of sure.

LionsGate would probably fund us a little if we put on a convention and would undoubtedly make phone calls to get us actors to show up. But Otherwise they can not do much more then that to help promote the show. Weather the show makes it or not is up to Sci-Fi Channel which is sadly not where it will work...

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So, tonight they gave prime air time to “Invasion”. This is basically a remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers “without the logic or suspense” as one reviewer has very aptly put it. On IMDB “Invasion” has 5 of 10 stars out of 377 votes while TLR has 8.4 of 10 stars out of 4305 votes. On Amazon.com the reviews for Invasion are mostly bad but so few as to be statistically negligible. There is no argument for this decision. Maybe the executives at SciFi are just on the take!

Could it be that the whole channel is so corrupt as to render futile any analysis of their decision processes? I have seen this up close in other institutions. The politics becomes so complicated that it is essentially a rotten tree just waiting to crumple under the slightest external force.

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I don’t know why I didn’t think of this before. On IMDB Tin Man has 7.1 of 10 stars from 2837 votes. This gives us a statistical measure of how bad it is. It isn’t just our opinion any more. Almost 3000 people have spoken up and they say it is bad. TLR has 8.4 of 10. This doesn’t sound that impressive, but you have to take into account that 2001 a space Odyssey has 8.4 of 10, Star Wars, A New Hope has 8.8 of 10, and Lord of the Rings, the Fellowship of the Ring has 8.7 of 10. Ratings of 9 or higher simply can not be found. If TLR had the same rating as Lord of the Rings, I would have to question my own interest in the show. Nothing that I like could be that popular!

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All in all it may be up to us, the viewers to start to push these channels we pay for to change their programming. Remember we pay to watch this channel. The Nielson rating are a shame these days and it may be up to us few to start a campaign to update this system. Shows like the original Start Trek and Sliders were saved for a season because the viewers wrote in and made a voice for themselves to keep these series going. We may have to start a serious movement and do nothing but flood the offices of the Sci-fi channel to change these aweful mistakes. Like this country the sci-fi channel was made by the people for the people. This concept got lost along the years but it is truly up to us to change that.
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