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To all Collectors....


If any info on the Wiki page is found to be incorrect or has an omission please PM me the correct info and I will update the Wiki page to keep it correct and up-to-date.




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I just went and checked the page [sign in to see URL] Information!!!!
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I recently added The Dime, The Nickel, The Other two Pennies, The Camera Case, The Harmonica and other various [sign in to see URL] also added that we The Collectors have basically verified that the Objects seen during Martin Ruber's hallucination are real and valid due to Jess's set pics of Room 10.


Keeping a Wiki vigil !!


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I was looking into an argument, based on Jess’s images, that the vision was valid. There are numerous problems. We will have to take that up at length.

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I was looking into an argument, based on Jess’s images, that the vision was valid. There are numerous problems. We will have to take that up at length.




agreed ! I look forward to this !!


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Well guy's and gal's this discussion leads me to ask you people a question I had asked Paul.. To keep it simple I will cut and paste it as follows.:


"Paul sorry to trouble you again, but I'm wondering about something.

On the Paper-clip discussion. I can understand everyone's relief to finding an "easy" Object, however it seems inconsistent with the ideals of the Objects as for authenticity. Shouldn't we consider the make up or composition of the metal used in the nineteen sixties as opposed to today's composition. Perhaps in nineteen sixty three or so paper clips contained tungsten, maybe lead or other metals deemed unsafe or to expensive to be used today. Even weight or diameter could play a part. It could be these very alloys and or dimensions that make this object function properly and without them it would be just another paper clip. So I guess my question is would a modern day paper clip really do or be acceptable given the strict code enforcement that are on Objects and Collectors?

Sorry to be so compulsive about this, but since I'm new to this (and a very literal person) I need to understand the absolutes of the adventure."

I can assure you Paul's answer was both humorous, and informative. I let my son read the question and he agreed with Paul, but adding "this question has a potential to cause a paradox, thus ripping The Collectors universe into pieces." When I asked him why and how he said "consider the vacuum tubes in the TV or the mill that supplied the paper to the distributor who then sold it to the printer. And what about the trucking company who delivered it and the men or women who unloaded it?" He continued "who could ever know all of these variables, and their impact on the Objects?" I said "maybe that's the point. Maybe it's those causes and effects that makes a paper-clip a paper-cip or a paper-clip an Object. Maybe only the specific Objects themselves are real; pure products made self evident from the Chaos Theory. Perhaps these Objects like all things in the world are perfectly normal in the Fractal world until a deformity occurred in a rogue Fractal empowering the ordinary to become extraordinary." " My son asked " Isn't that the point?" I replied "Com se com sa?" He said exactly."

So I leave this to you experts to help guide me down the Yellowbrick road and protect me from becoming another Martin Ruber and be more wise like Harold Stritzke as he let the comb go (he said jokingly and with a smile).
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I saw this question when you posted it, but got busy with other things and never got around to answering it.

I thought you might like to know that the objects are being studied at the granularity you are suggesting.

In the first image, you will note that the scissors all have different patent registrations. Through careful comparison to the opening credits, I have determined that the pair in the middle has the correct patent registration. Yet, the pair to the left has the correct flat head screw.

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I have possession of three combs that match the images we have of the comb in the miniseries. The comb to the left actually comes closest because it has no print. However, it is the recently manufactured Aristocrat, while the second and third combs are vintage combs and more in the spirit of the comb that is depicted.

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I have been hesitant to publish this information because I don’t want to deepen the already compulsive desire among many collectors to match the objects in the show right down to the smallest scratches.

Also, it gets to the point where we are exceeding the specifications of the original prop makers.

Take the cards, for example. We have determined that they were created by pasting the joker from an Arrco deck to the front of a Redislip box. This prop is both a contradiction and an anachronism. There could never be a deck of cards with a “Plastic Coated” joker and a “Redislip” box. That would be sort of like having a proudly labeled cotton tablecloth that comes in a box that says linen tablecloth.

The cigarettes are another conundrum. While the prop makers seemed very careful to use authentic vintage objects from the correct era, they invented a pack of cigarettes. Possibly, this is indicative of some future plot development that we may never get a chance to see, but more likely it was merely a liberty taken by people who didn’t want to deal with certain trademark issues. The switch to a different pair of glasses in the last scene and the anachronistic Life Magazine are proof that absolute precision was not exercised.

Then, there are the really annoying issues. The radio in the miniseries has been reversed so that the emblem is on the wrong side and “Grundig” is spelled backward. I can imagine some compulsive collector recreating this effect with an actual radio. The same was done with the knife in the Sood’s inventory. The comb in the Sood’s inventory has been shortened through graphic manipulation so that it has only 59 small teeth instead of the 65 found on every comb of this type.

Upon evaluating all these issues I am reminded that our original motivation was merely to have good physical representatives of the objects in the show. Though most serious collectors have already gone well beyond this level of scrutiny, the extent to which one does so is purely a matter of personal taste.

I, for one, wish to understand the objects better than the people who brought them to us. This is a questionable avocation, since my time might be better spent improving the plight of humanity, or at least trying to advance my own career. Still, I am reminded of the early experiments with electricity and the invention of complex numbers. You never know where an adventure will take you, and sometimes it is best just to follow your heart.

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Hello Spiko,
thanks for your time on this. I see what you mean, and with the Prop-people doing a great job of anticipating we ...odd ones, that they would actually care to take the time and expense to give us their wonderful chicanery I suppose trying to be exact is quite possibly a waste of time. Except when the Objects in the show have not been tampered with, modified or muddled. Those to me would be the choice Object in that case which are out in the wild waiting to be scooped up by we the Collectors. Likewise I get your point that this is about having fun, and merely supporting what we all love for whatever reasons. Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you I should be a committee chairman designing horses that look like camels. In light of that and your advice here I will henceforth apply the [sign in to see URL]. method to this endeavor
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Here is an interesting development.

I showed the three types of combs to my mother, and she noticed that the injection gates are in different places on each comb. After this, I noticed that the Pretty Miss does not have the ruler. In other words, the combs all came out of differently designed molds. It is very peculiar, when you think about it, that three identical combs were made but they did not come from the same mold design.

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That is not actually a wonder, Spike.

When one uses a mold it eventually is worn/filled out and the result ends up being crooked. You have to replace the mold every X combs has been casted.

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