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You know we have had this conversation before with the Creators.

About the coin and the memory of a son.
I think it was Paul who said the memory becomes flesh and does not need support from the coin. Only one memory can be created at a time, and the rememberer can change the memory appeared. But when the memory is, it can walk in and out the Room just like everyone else.

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Yes, but appearances are that he found his son. Something worked.





I think I have missed something... who found a son and where?

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I think I have missed something... who found a son and where?

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Kreutzfeld opens the door and and turns around, and somehow destroys his bodyguard with the eye. From behind Kreutzfeld, a voice says "Daddy?" and Kreutzfeld turns around and sees his son. Kreutzfeld is SURPRISED.

Since his son appeared behind him while he was focused on something else...I argue that this is somehow his real son.


Not a quarter manifestation. When he creates someone with the quarter, he is always looking at them. His son appeared behind him.

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Not a quarter manifestation. When he creates someone with the quarter, he is always looking at them. His son appeared behind him.



To be fair though when Karl and Joe were in the Vault, Isaac appeared behind Karl. However I think that you are spot on about needing the concentration.

I too think that the Isaac in the door might be the real thing or even an echo used perhaps as a lure. I really like Tom's idea of the Room "eating" Karl for some purpose, like it might have done to Conroy.

The Glass Eye zapping Anthony has always bothered me a little but I think the Glass Eye might work as sort of a knee-jerk reaction. Karl thought someone was coming up behind him (Joe and the Occupant in Monty's car) and thought something like "kill the intruders" and the Glass Eye reacted. Oops.
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when Karl and Joe were in the Vault, Isaac appeared behind Karl.




oh yeah. emoticon

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many years ago i DM-ed a campaign in a game called RuneQuest. The system was developed to counter all the wanky elements in advanced DnD. For magic to be done you needed a curtain amount of time, and focused time at that. In that system as I remember each turn had 12 units call: strike ranks. For magic to work 6 ranks to prepare 6 to execute.

Karl had neither the time nor the focus. The 1/4 had nothing to do with the appearance of his son. Thank Jin for remembering that Karl was in fact surprised to see his son which I think nails down the focus issue. BUT

Now we have: THE CAN OF WORMS. Something [the room the room the room] knew what Karl wanted and the power to produce it. And by the addition of subtle emotional inflections in the voice this new son was vastly superior to the 1/4 product. One could say the different was in terms of magnitudes or in terms of order of raw power. If we see the objects a class one, you would need a class two to make a real boy. The only class two possibilities we are left with is God or the Room.

But is gets worst. Intent. This was not just a matter of setting an object into its prescribe purpose. This is some force with the ability to understood human desires and the ability to retrieve a long dead body. Or has it been dead long or dead at all.

We spend a lot to time looking at how the objects work in the realm of a physical world. We understand gas, liquid and solid states. and for gigs and snorts sublimate and plasma. What we tend to be weak on is the second great product of the big bang ..... Time. And here is where I think the Room is at its best. It can manipulate the different states of time.

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Post Script: Sorry for taking the topic off center. I think we need a mess of ground work get a better understand of what the Conroy-Kreutzfeld bridge is all about.
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The Room as a sentient entity capable of existing across all points in Time at the same time. That actually makes sense considering the Occupant's statement that there is "more than one Room" in existence.

So the Conroy Experiment might bring all those instances and times together at the same moment, an effect that would be disastrous on a universal scale. Thus the Room was able to produce Isaac at that moment.

One thing that I really want to know: how did Conroy figure out this particular combination of Objects? From the dialogue concerning the Watch Box it seemed like she knew what it did and had been looking for it for a while.

It would be nice if we could make some sense of those blastedly arcane Object charts.
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Hom

I always thought it was like Karl forgot he had summoned his son and destroyed Anthony, because he thought Anthony was the active memory, thus suprising by his son and realizing he really killed the real Anthony.


or maybe it was just an accident and he did not want his son to see it.

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I always thought it was like Karl forgot he had summoned his son and destroyed Anthony



Upon watching the end again, the car with Joe and Eddie arrives SEVERAL times. It actually arrives, and then arrives again, and then again.

I think this is a clear indication that time itself is being broken down. And time is being 'broken' because Karl is breaking it by bringing his REAL son into the present.

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That would explain a few things then. Mortal minds would be naturally emoticon if Time decided to play hopscotch with the rest of the universe.

I did always love how calm the Occupant is with the whole end of the world scenario. For him its nothing, being an Object and all. He's really the only constant in that entire scene.

I love this idea of the door opening to some massive rift in time, but this brings up a question. If the door is pulling Isaac back from the past, then what is happening to the past Isaac in the normal timeline? Does he suddenly go "POOF" out of existence or are two separate but equal Isaacs created?

Really love how we've all got a Conroy Conversation going! (I will alliterate that as much as humanly possible)
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If the door is pulling Isaac back from the past, then what is happening to the past Isaac in the normal timeline?




Good question. It could be the room only Borrowed Isaac and that this would seem like a dream of visiting the future to the Isaac in the past.

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